[Josy]

I like Ash and don't think of him as boring but...

Lots of people from the start have labelled him as one of the 'bores' yet he does something that dominates the highlights and they want him evicted?

I don't get it, so if your boring in there you are hated for it and if you are involved on one of the main rows of the show so far people campaign to get you evicted..

Opinions?

[Shaun]

I don't think being on the receiving end of hurricane Toya really counts as "doing something"

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't think being on the receiving end of hurricane Toya really counts as "doing something"

He stood up to her first though if he hadn't then the first row wouldn't have happened.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Josy

He stood up to her first though if he hadn't then the first row wouldn't have happened.

Well, 'first', he fist-bumped her and seemed OK with the situation... it wasn't until she went all full-CALM DOWN EVERYONE I HAVE TO SPEAK-mode he took part

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Well, 'first', he fist-bumped her and seemed OK with the situation... it wasn't until she went all full-CALM DOWN EVERYONE I HAVE TO SPEAK-mode he took part

Tbf for that type of Housemate he should get credit for actually taking part.

[Me. I Am Salman]

i can't think of anything noteworthy he's done apart from the argument last night (although even then he didn't do much) but I see more potential in him compared to winston and marlon who are excruciatingly boring. want marlon out more though because he's less likeable compared to winston and makes me cringe A LOT.

[Samm]

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

[Josy]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

So you are saying he's not boring now?

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Josy

So you are saying he's not boring now?

No, I'm saying Toya made him relevant but he is a bore

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Only Toya made him relevant without Toya he would be boring

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.

[Sophiee]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This^He did nothing until Toya brought his character out.

neither did toya aside from being pauline's sheep. hilarious how she talks about marlon being a sheep when she was the exact same thing just a week ago.

[Jack_]

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

Sadly this is 100% correct.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Ash is a boring **** and being one of the (many) victims of #HurricaneToya doesn't change that. The night was all about Toya. Her veto decisions lit a match and she's just burning that house down to the ground on her way out. I know this is a forum that values ~talking points~ more than anything and by now you guys all know how much I disagree with that, but what talking points does Ash even provide? He called Toya a prick, she flipped out and screeched about how she revealed everyone's true colors as she intended to, she moved HERSELF to near tears with her impassioned DR speech about the responsibility of being the power housemate, she went mad with power. Just because Ash was on the receiving end on her most volatile night doesn't automatically make him entertaining or valuable. Not at all. And if you think he's necessary to keep around for Toya to have someone to lash out at... so far she's lashed out at Jale, Christopher, Matthew, Marlon, Winston, and Ash, and she's been smearing Kimberly's name left and right and probably would've lashed out at her last night if she wasn't so distracted by those three idiot boys last night. Ash could pretty much be a mannequin doll at Toya would still lash out at him, it doesn't take much to piss her off. He's useless.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Ash is a boring **** and being one of the (many) victims of #HurricaneToya doesn't change that. The night was all about Toya. Her veto decisions lit a match and she's just burning that house down to the ground on her way out. I know this is a forum that values ~talking points~ more than anything and by now you guys all know how much I disagree with that, but what talking points does Ash even provide? He called Toya a prick, she flipped out and screeched about how she revealed everyone's true colors as she intended to, she moved HERSELF to near tears with her impassioned DR speech about the responsibility of being the power housemate, she went mad with power. Just because Ash was on the receiving end on her most volatile night doesn't automatically make him entertaining or valuable. Not at all. And if you think he's necessary to keep around for Toya to have someone to lash out at... so far she's lashed out at Jale, Christopher, Matthew, Marlon, Winston, and Ash, and she's been smearing Kimberly's name left and right and probably would've lashed out at her last night if she wasn't so distracted by those three idiot boys last night. Ash could pretty much be a mannequin doll at Toya would still lash out at him, it doesn't take much to piss her off. He's useless.

Brilliant post (I know you meant those Toya things as a negative but I see them as a positive)

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

This needs to be sent to Ben Frow, someone email him it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I could say the same thing about Toya, Pauline, Helen etc...they do things that dominate the highlights and people want them evicted?

Anyway first of all he was a bore up until Toya gave him a role (which I'm glad about btw) but secondly this is precisely the problem with vote to evict - you have to campaign to evict emerging characters or people that are developing a storyline in order to save your favourites, it's so counterproductive. Toya fans have to target him because he's one of the most likely to go after her when in reality it'd be for the best of everyone if someone like Winston (who is just there and offers nothing to the show at all) left. Vote to evict just means that anyone who opens their mouth and dares to contribute something to the show is targeted and is at risk of being evicted while anyone that fades into the background remains safe. It makes no sense whatsoever

I would rather he didn't leave because I'd like to see the feud with Toya develop, but it's not like we have much choice with such a detrimental system is it?

This also^ very good post.I voted Ash because if it's a choice between him and Toya,I'd keep Toya all day.VTS would defo solve this and would almost make certain someone who's really done nothing would go.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I like Ash and don't think of him as boring but...

Lots of people from the start have labelled him as one of the 'bores' yet he does something that dominates the highlights and they want him evicted?

I don't get it, so if your boring in there you are hated for it and if you are involved on one of the main rows of the show so far people campaign to get you evicted..

Opinions?

Josy... you constantly hate on Pauline, Toya, Helen etc and then whenever anyone says this to you you just say "everyone has different views of entertainment".

Toya is the most 'active' in the house (if you wanna put it that way) so going by your logic she should be the favourite to win. I agree with you but you need to practice what you preach.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Josy... you constantly hate on Pauline, Toya, Helen etc and then whenever anyone says this to you you just say "everyone has different views of entertainment".

Toya is the most 'active' in the house (if you wanna put it that way) so going by your logic she should be the favourite to win. I agree with you but you need to practice what you preach.

Hayden for a start stop trying to make the thread about me rather than the topic of the OP.

Secondly I know I say people have different views of what's entertaining because that's what I believe? hence the reason I said at the start I don't find Ash boring? I like him?

My question was why are some hated for being 'boring' then evicted for being 'not boring'..

And the threads not about Toya but she has never been labelled 'boring' as far as I know? so the bit you added in about her is pointless..

[eezamana]

Originally Posted by Josy

Hayden for a start stop trying to make the thread about me rather than the topic of the OP.

Secondly I know I say people have different views of what's entertaining because that's what I believe? hence the reason I said at the start I don't find Ash boring? I like him?

My question was why are some hated for being 'boring' then evicted for being 'not boring'..

And the threads not about Toya but she has never been labelled 'boring' as far as I know? so the bit you added in about her is pointless..

BIB But Josy, you are the OP..........no? Just mentioning that because it means you'd be talking about yourself in the third person. Ashley is beautiful but bleurghhhh. he seems to think with his wee heid.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by eezamana

BIB But Josy, you are the OP..........no? Just mentioning that because it means you'd be talking about yourself in the third person. Ashley is beautiful but bleurghhhh. he seems to think with his wee heid.

I was meaning original post not original poster

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Hayden

You said "I don't get it" implying that the people who disagree with you are wrong.

And I'm just stating it how it is. Ash is boring in most people eyes and has only become a slight bit interesting because of Toya.

What on earth? how do you even come to that conclusion from 'I don't get it?'

I said I don't get it because I don't...wasn't implying anything about people that disagreed.

[Josy]

I don't have a problem with vote to evict.

I do have a problem with certain housemates being labelled boring then if they aren't boring being evicted

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't have a problem with vote to evict.

I do have a problem with certain housemates being labelled boring then if they aren't boring being evicted

That's basically Vote To Evict though, if you even do something slightly out of the ordinary you get a ton of votes to evict, whereas if it was VTS you'd get votes for exactly that reason.

[Marsh.]

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