[Mystic Mock]

Reasons why Helen was in the right - Why did Matthew sit in the room if he didn't want to be involved? Also I do feel that he was deliberately winding her up.

Reasons why Helen was in the wrong - She was too aggressive, too rude in the way that she put herself across, and she shouldn't be forcing her opinions down other peoples throats.

Reasons why Matthew was in the right - He kept his calm better, and he was able to be wity while she was going off at him so fair play to him on that.

Reasons why Matthew was in the wrong - He deliberately wound her up, if he didn't want to be apart of the game he could've just done his own thing without piping up, and also I've noticed that he was much more comfortable arguing with a woman than he is arguing on guys, I wonder why his whole persona changed all of a sudden?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Wow what a fair unbiased assessment!!!!!!!1

[Vicky.]

He deliberately wound her up? He made ONE comment...not even to her and she blew. Shes a ****ing nutter.

Never noticed his persona change one little bit either...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Wow what a fair unbiased assessment!!!!!!!1

Is that sarcasm lol? At least I'm not portraying Helen as a saint like some people are with Matthew lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He deliberately wound her up? He made ONE comment...not even to her and she blew. Shes a ****ing nutter.

Never noticed his persona change one little bit either...

I'm sorry but complaining about the game that they was playing was him trying to wind them up, I'm not saying that he was expecting just Helen to blow up at him, I think he was expecting people like Ash and Winston to get involved as well so it would look like he was being bullied, thankfully them two stayed out of it.

[LukeB]

way i see it matthew shouldnt of said what he said helen might of proberly thought he was looking down at them all but she went OTT with the agressiveness

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I'm sorry but complaining about the game that they was playing was him trying to wind them up, I'm not saying that he was expecting just Helen to blow up at him, I think he was expecting people like Ash and Winston to get involved as well so it would look like he was being bullied, thankfully them two stayed out of it.

You have a serious obsession with this this year mock...honestly...

He made a little comment, quite quietly too. If he had been sitting (like Danielle normally does) making a huge fuss then I would agree he was purposely trying to cause trouble.

IMO the only thing he did wrong tonight was the saggy tits comment, and even that he was kinda pushed into.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You have a serious obsession with this this year mock...honestly...

He made a little comment, quite quietly too. If he had been sitting (like Danielle normally does) making a huge fuss then I would agree he was purposely trying to cause trouble.

IMO the only thing he did wrong tonight was the saggy tits comment, and even that he was kinda pushed into.

Well I haven't branded 13 Housemates as bullies like some people have this year so I'm not that obsessed compared to some people.

And I'm trying to be fair here, can people please stop treating Matthew like a saint please? Saying he hates the game in a small part of the room where loads of Housemates are then they're gonna hear it, unless you're saying that Matthew is thick?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by iiamlukee

way i see it matthew shouldnt of said what he said helen might of proberly thought he was looking down at them all but she went OTT with the agressiveness

An absolute fair post that I agree with.

[Vicky.]

I dont think theres beena day yet when I havent seen at least 3 posts from you accusing someone (usually who has been on the receiving end of helens rants) of trying for pity Guess thats what you have to do when you support the house bitch though..

I'm not saying he's thick at all. But its hardly winding people up on purpose to make ONE comment. Normal people would ignore it. Not psychos though, clearly. Noone else had a problem but helen who had been looking for an excuse to blow simply because she had had a drink

[rusticgal]

Matthew had sat and played along for an hour....the game was degenerating into pathetic school-boyish sexual trivia and he simply wanted to no longer be involved. What's wrong with that?....Helen was just waiting for an opportunity to explode at any of the housemates she considers 'boring' to spout off at because I doubt a day goes by without her getting involved in some sort of confrontation...goby cow!!!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont think I have seen a post of yours yet that doesnt accuse someone of trying for pity Guess thats what you have to do when you support the house bitch though..

I'm not saying he's thick at all. But its hardly winding people up on purpose to make ONE comment. Normal people would ignore it. Not psychos though, clearly. Noone else had a problem but helen who had been looking for an excuse to blow simply because she had had a drink

You clearly only read my posts on the Jale threads then.

And yes I said that Helen overreacted but he did deliberately try and make the people playing the game feel uncomfortable to play it? Or are you gonna disagree with me on it because it's Matthew and he argued on Helen?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Matthew had sat and played along for an hour....the game was degenerating into pathetic school-boyish sexual trivia and he simply wanted to no longer be involved. What's wrong with that?....Helen was just waiting for an opportunity to explode at any of the housemates she considers 'boring' to spout off at because I doubt a day goes by without her getting involved in some sort of confrontation...goby cow!!!

He wasn't playing at any point.

They were all in the garden, they asked who wants to play spin the bottle and everyone who did went into the living room. Matthew went to sit and watch, making his comments then Helen blew her top.

[Marsh.]

What's witty about his tits comment?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

You clearly only read my posts on the Jale threads then.

And yes I said that Helen overreacted but he did deliberately try and make the people playing the game feel uncomfortable to play it? Or are you gonna disagree with me on it because it's Matthew and he argued on Helen?

I am going to disagree with you because I dont think making a slight comment is purposely making others feel uncomfortable...noone else commented bar Helen.

As I said, if he was sitting going on and on and on then I could understand the reaction from her. But for one comment to the titwank question...just no

[chuff me dizzy]

Why shouldnt he sit in the room ? its not Helens house, he was sat there quietly watching the game and said quietly he wouldnt play, he didnt tell them how low and dirty they were making themselves look as I would have done ,Helen was waiting for her chance to attack because she had her Rottweillers with her ,not one part of it was Matts fault

[Marsh.]

I didn't say he shouldn't sit in there, but he obviously went to watch because he said he knew what the questions would be like, and wanted to stick his nose up at it.

Entirely his right but seems quite petty to do if it's so beneath him.

Doesn't excuse Helens behaviour, she completely went over the top because she'd been drinking yet again but he can be a bit snobby Matthew.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't say he shouldn't sit in there, but he obviously went to watch because he said he knew what the questions would be like, and wanted to stick his nose up at it.

Entirely his right but seems quite petty to do if it's so beneath him.

Doesn't excuse Helens behaviour, she completely went over the top because she'd been drinking yet again but he can be a bit snobby Matthew.

I was answering OP not you flower

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I was answering OP not you flower

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What's witty about his tits comment?

Tbf I'm not gonna attack him for that one as she had took the piss about his weight.

I was thinking of his stuff in the Diary Room more than anything.

[rionablue]

Helen should have been removed from the house last night in my opinion Its one thing to bandy insults between Matt and her each one worse than the other but when she went and invaded his space and spoke in a menacing tone she should have b een shown the door. People have been removed for far less

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why shouldnt he sit in the room ? its not Helens house, he was sat there quietly watching the game and said quietly he wouldnt play, he didnt tell them how low and dirty they were making themselves look as I would have done ,Helen was waiting for her chance to attack because she had her Rottweillers with her ,not one part of it was Matts fault

Because most normal people leave a room (in a polite way of course) if they don't like a discussion/game, not deliberately slag the game off in front of them to make them feel uncomfortable.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

Tbf I'm not gonna attack him for that one as she had took the piss about his weight.

I was thinking of his stuff in the Diary Room more than anything.

I didn't mean attack him, I just didn't find it witty.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Helen should have been removed from the house last night in my opinion Its one thing to bandy insults between Matt and her each one worse than the other but when she went and invaded his space and spoke in a menacing tone she should have b een shown the door. People have been removed for far less

I disagree she should have been removed, however it would be interesting to see what BBs reaction would be if a bloke got up in a womans face like that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Helen should have been removed from the house last night in my opinion Its one thing to bandy insults between Matt and her each one worse than the other but when she went and invaded his space and spoke in a menacing tone she should have b een shown the door. People have been removed for far less

I think there was 2 reasons why she was kept in.

1. She's the star of the series.

2. Conor from BB13 being kept in for far more offensive language.