[rusticgal]

...felt intimidated by Ashleigh's confidence and ability of being able to put a point across in an intellectual way.
Helens only ability to have an argument is to get personal...name call...swear...and anyone who goes against her needs to 'shut the **** up'...so it all comes down to lack of education...she feels inferior...she IS inferior...

[CaudleHalbard]

Helen is a psychological mess. And it shows!

[Alf]

If Helen had have watched those clips of Ashleigh by herself she wouldn't have said a thing to Ashleigh. But because Kim and Jale were there she had to say something to prove her power as top dog, and it just so happens that she had to do it in front of all her army.

Helen as been wary of Ashleigh from the very start, she knows she wouldn't back down to her and bullies don't like that. She used the excuse of "I'm not arguing with an 18 year old" to avoid Ashleigh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

If Helen had have watched those clips of Ashleigh by herself she wouldn't have said a thing to Ashleigh.

If there's one thing certain about Helen, she will NEVER keep her gob shut.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If there's one thing certain about Helen, she will NEVER keep her gob shut.

I don't agree, I seriously believe she would have said nothing to her had she have watched it alone.

She had no choice but to say something to prove to her henchwomen that she is top dog. Jale and Kim said we're not saying anything, because they were waiting for their leader to lead the way.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

She had no choice but to say something

Incorrect. They all agreed to say nothing until Helen couldn't hold it in and blurted out about Ashleigh.

[Amy Jade]

Kim and Jale wanted to keep quiet but Helen just couldn't. All I can do is laugh at people pretending Helen is intimidated by Ashleigh.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Incorrect. They all agreed to say nothing until Helen couldn't hold it in and blurted out about Ashleigh.

Incorrect. Helen said straight away "I'm saying something" because that was her natural reaction as pack leader.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Incorrect. Helen said straight away "I'm saying something" because that was her natural reaction as pack leader.

Which completely contradicts your initial statement that Helen would've kept quiet because she's intimidated by Ashleigh.

Of course saying something is her natural reaction.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which completely contradicts your initial statement that Helen would've kept quiet because she's intimidated by Ashleigh.

Of course saying something is her natural reaction.

How does it contradict my statement?

My statement said if Helen had of seen the footage alone she wouldn't have said anything, correct?

But because she had people with her she had to say something to play her role as leader, so her natural reaction in front of people was to immediately react with a dominant statement like "I'm gonna say something".

And then when they did get outside she only then said something because they came out all with their sarcastic laughing and everyone said you've gotta tell us.

[Patricia4]

She needs to be centre of attention she is the boss well that's what she thinks.

[sampvt]

In Helens world, deceptive and nasty little bitches are scum and she perceives it her job to out them and chastise accordingly. Naturally BB has thrown her a bone by golden ticketing her to the final and she feels untouchable but in Helens world, black is black.

You can put as much lipstick on a pig as you want but at the end of the day, its still a pig and Helen will never be anything but a loud mouthed common as muck trollop. You cant change her so accept her and if she provides us with an interesting show,so be it. It might be ugly but its certainly not boring. I am waiting for her to dump on mark, that will be worth watching.

[waterhog]

spot on - jealousy -

[LeatherTrumpet]

Everytime Helen sees Ashleigh it makes her feel bad about herself

[Kazanne]

Well maybe she should put her point across in an intellectual way to Helen herself,instead of bitching about her to anyone that will listen.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well maybe she should put her point across in an intellectual way to Helen herself,instead of bitching about her to anyone that will listen.

Actually thats not the way most people do things.

If you don't like someone in real life you try your best to ignore them. You complain about them to your friends. You rarely confront them unless there is a "real" tangible issue that needs sorting out.

This is the real difference between Ashleigh and Helen. One is a respectable, normal, young woman. The other is a loud foul mouth who lets rip once she has a few drinks, or if she feels superior.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually thats not the way most people do things.

If you don't like someone in real life you try your best to ignore them. You complain about them to your friends. You rarely confront them unless there is a "real" tangible issue that needs sorting out.

This is the real difference between Ashleigh and Helen. One is a respectable, normal, young woman. The other is a loud foul mouth who lets rip once she has a few drinks, or if she feels superior.

Yes,lets just ignore the nasty things Ashleigh says and just concentrate on Helens!

[GypsyGoth]

I do think jealousy played a part, but it was Ashleigh being jealous of Helen in the house. Notice the times Helen would be having fun in there and Ashleigh would be up in the pod bitching about her.

Helen was oblivious to Ashleigh being some sort of threat till BB practically spelt it out by showing Ashleigh in the DR.

The whole status thing, where one person is seen as common and the other not, well I don't believe that is deciding factor in friendships after a week or two. Mainly because it's the new status in the house that matters more. So yea Ashleigh is the one who's somewhat envious of Helen's standing in the house.

[Semtex]

Helen is a mess, all followers of helen are a mess.

She is not the Messiah, she's a very mercenary prostitute.

If your clappy and you know it, Helens minge.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,lets just ignore the nasty things Ashleigh says and just concentrate on Helens!

Its easy to ignore two girls bitching in the corner about someone they don't like.

Its much harder to ignore the drunk screaming "slug" at the unpopular girl.

[kefln]

First of all you have to take a look at Helen’s track record. Who has she argued with before?

Jale, Christopher, Danielle and Matthew. All these people, at one point or another, where outsiders. Most of these “fights” took place when she had alcohol taken, or when she was in a position of power, surrounded by her friends.

The most important thing here is to kill this myth that Helen always confronts those that she is bitching about, which is what a lot of people claim when comparing her to Ashleigh. Its not true. She picks her fights.

For a couple of weeks the house was split between Helen side and Toya’s side. Was there a confrontation? Was there hell. Where was Helen when the fight broke out between Toya and the lads? She was nowhere. She waited for a day or two and then tackled…Matthew. Far easier target.

Helen also had a few problems with Chris. Where was the argument? Where was the upfront Helen? Nowhere. Danielle threw Chris under the bus by telling Helen and the rest that he believed that he was smarter than the rest of them, that they kind of bored him. Why didn’t the “tell it like it is” Helen say something to him? Could it be that Chris has been regularly cheered, and saved, by the audience?

Helen picks her fights.

For the last couple of weeks Ashleigh has been a regular bitching point for Helen and the gang. But there was no confrontation. Even after the morgue where they got all worked up over some video, once they came out, nothing. Helen talked a big game, but said squat to Ashleigh.

Fast forward a couple of days and Ashleigh gets a bad reaction from the audience. Helen gets another clip played for her. What happens? War breaks out. Unlike Chris, Ashleigh isn’t protected by popularity. Does Helen take her aside? No, it’s done right there, in public, with the likes of Ash to give her the moral support she needs. Helen doesn’t do face to face.

Jale did face to face. Much harder. And its not the first time that she’s done that.

But going back to the fight, there were a couple differences from the norm on last nights HLS. The first was Ashleigh reaction, she didn’t get riled. And although it wasn’t shown on the HLS, I believe she was able to bite back. Secondly, both Mark and Winston stepped in. Not to defend Ashleigh, but to contain the situation. And so Helen reverted to bitching in the corner again.

That’s Helen summed up. She’ll only go for someone if she perceives them as weak. Up until last Friday she had no idea where Ashleigh stood, so there was no confrontation. Then there was…

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well maybe she should put her point across in an intellectual way to Helen herself,instead of bitching about her to anyone that will listen.

...the trouble is Helen can't be talked to. If she hears anything negative said about her she gets very defensive and her only reaction is shout people down...call them names in between loads of expletives. You just cannot reason with someone like that... Wins ton and Mark tried to yesterday and all they got told was to Shut the **** up.... Helen spends time being 'nice' to Christopher then slates him for not inviting him to the party. She shuts everyone down when she hears something she doesn't like or things don't go her way....she mouths off...says her piece but doesn't let anyone else get a word in.
No wonder everyone just stays quiet...that's what makes her a bully. I don't use that word freely....but that is what Helen is.
Ashleigh is not intimidated by her but she knows you can't reason with her.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

...the trouble is Helen can't be talked to. If she hears anything negative said about her she gets very defensive and her only reaction is shout people down...call them names in between loads of expletives. You just cannot reason with someone like that... Wins ton and Mark tried to yesterday and all they got told was to Shut the **** up.... Helen spends time being 'nice' to Christopher then slates him for not inviting him to the party. She shuts everyone down when she hears something she doesn't like or things don't go her way....she mouths off...says her piece but doesn't let anyone else get a word in.
No wonder everyone just stays quiet...that's what makes her a bully. I don't use that word freely....but that is what Helen is.
Ashleigh is not intimidated by her but she knows you can't reason with her.

Trying to talk things out with someone like Helen means getting into a fight. And there is no winner when arguing with people like her. They get loud, they get abusive, or they get childish. And we've seen all these traits from Helen.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kefln

Trying to talk things out with someone like Helen means getting into a fight. And there is no winner when arguing with people like her. They get loud, they get abusive, or they get childish. And we've seen all these traits from Helen.

Exactly Kevin...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes,lets just ignore the nasty things Ashleigh says and just concentrate on Helens!

Spot on.