[Yaki da]

The guy went in saying he has game plan and that he had "Already won". Hardly likely to endear yourself to people saying things like that are you?

Yes, we know that the VTs are exaggerated but given this, the crowd reaction and the advice of the 3 former HMs, you can hardly blame the present ones for being wary of him can you?

So, let's calm down and stop turning people into victims. The crowd reaction to him was over the top, but he clearly did come in wanting to play a game involving the manipulation of people and he can't do that now. As far as I can tell, he's just there waiting to be nominated now.

[reece(:]

Get Pav out!!!!

[Tarryn]

I'm no Pav fan but it is okay to be upset at something.
I do feel he is pushed aside a lot. Everybody goes over the top in their VT's but it's different when you are in there.
I don't think he is playing the victim.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I'm no Pav fan but it is okay to be upset at something.
I do feel he is pushed aside a lot. Everybody goes over the top in their VT's but it's different when you are in there.
I don't think he is playing the victim.

No one said he is. But he's not really being pushed aside either. He will be nominated obviously, but that's par for the course. I'm just saying it's wrong to blame the current HMs for being wary of him when all they have on him is his VT, the 3 former HMs and the crowd reaction.

Despite this, they will talk about making sure he doesn't feel left out. Nevertheless they are wary of him possibly portraying himself as someone who is as part of a gameplan which he admitted to coming in with.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

No one said he is. But he's not really being pushed aside either. He will be nominated obviously, but that's par for the course. I'm just saying it's wrong to blame the current HMs for being wary of him when all they have on him is his VT, the 3 former HMs and the crowd reaction.

Despite this, they will talk about making sure he doesn't feel left out. Nevertheless they are wary of him possibly portraying himself as someone who is as part of a gameplan which he admitted to coming in with.

But they are wary of Zoe too, but seem to include her more.
Plus, every HM in there has a gameplan.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

But they are wary of Zoe too, but seem to include her more.
Plus, every HM in there has a gameplan.

She's obviously better at networking. And she got much better comments about her than Pav from the former 3 and a good crowd reaction.

That's all they have to go on really.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

She's obviously better at networking. And she got much better comments about her than Pav from the former 3 and a good crowd reaction.

That's all they have to go on really.

That's not Pav's fault.

[Cheddarcakes]

Don't blame him for being upset but he was always gonna get boos giving it the big 'un on his VT. Get him out before the final

[NotAWannabe]

Why did he not say I did it for the VT, you all did. For example { common knowledge }. Chris said he would urinate in the sink.

When Pav and Winston were alone in the bedroom, he could have said something like, Winston, could you give me an example of a 'game plan'. Winston who just regurgitates cliché expressions, would probably have been stumped.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

That's not Pav's fault.

Well yes, to some extent it is. He didn't have to promote himself as a gameplaying genius who has "Already won".

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Well yes, to some extent it is. He didn't have to promote himself as a gameplaying genius who has "Already won".

But I guess you have to big yourself up to even have a chance to be on BB.
If he had said "I'm quite boring & like to sit around & do nothing all day" he would never have got on the show.
Watch Winston's VT. Then compare it to how he is in the house.
I could fall asleep watching Winston's highlights this series

[Josy]

Pav has been made into a victim, by the housemates and ex housemates.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Pav has been made into a victim, by the housemates and ex housemates.

How has that happened exactly? What have the HMs actually done except be wary of him?

It feels to me like the sympathy is actually coming because of the crowd reaction to him, more than anything else

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

How has that happened exactly? What have the HMs actually done except be wary of him?

It feels to me like the sympathy is actually coming because of the crowd reaction to him, more than anything else

Well it's obvious how it happened, the housemates were getting on fine with Pav and also Zoe until the Ex Housemates went in and funnily enough all three targeted them during the task, they went on as if Pav and Zoe were being really two faced, back stabbing, bitching and so on when we all know they haven't been.

After this the housemates have been steering clear of them, isolating them.

The Boos for Pav last night just added to an existing problem, Pav hasn't done anything at all in that house that deserved boo's and chants like he received, even being boring doesn't attract boo's like that.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well it's obvious how it happened, the housemates were getting on fine with Pav and also Zoe until the Ex Housemates went in and funnily enough all three targeted them during the task, they went on as if Pav and Zoe were being really two faced, back stabbing, bitching and so on when we all know they haven't been.

After this the housemates have been steering clear of them, isolating them.

The Boos for Pav last night just added to an existing problem, Pav hasn't done anything at all in that house that deserved boo's and chants like he received, even being boring doesn't attract boo's like that.

Some of that's true. But I don't think the HMs themselves have done anything that bad considering the info they've got to go on. I don't see much evidence of them "steering clear" of them. Zoe clearly continues to get on with them and Pav is struggling, but they're clearly aware of that and have stated that they are making an effort. Certain pics and videos on the site as well as live updates make it clear he is spending time with them.