[bbfan1991]

I shudder if people have actually fallen for it.

Winston's mask is slowly slipping too in terms of his dumb act, fair play to him for playing the game and wanting to win though.

[rosie1991]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I shudder if people have actually fallen for it.

Winston's mask is slowly slipping too in terms of his dumb act, fair play to him for playing the game and wanting to win though.

Unfortunately folks will always fall for the good edits concerning certain housemates.

That's BB 2014 for you.

[Creggle]

Magnetmite is so cute. <3

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah she's still a *****.

[LukeB]

bb cant edit helens actions

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Other housemates have said she has changed though, cant really edit that unless they dub the words coming out of their mouths like a cheap Japanese film.

[mrflibble]

I'm really peed off about this Helen redemption thing. I can't believe people are falling for it. I'm fine with people liking Helen, but buying the blatant manipulation from BB? Nope. My mum thinks Helen is amazing now and although she loved Chris at the start has decided he's creepy.. she just falls for whatever they throw at her. You need to read between the lines people

For me, it's like this; the Helen that entered the house is the real Helen. She went in as an aggressive animal to take 'top dog' of the house. Teared the weak ones down, drew the stronger ones to her... and it wasn't until BB warned her that she began to calm down, and as people she didn't like or couldn't control got evicted, she didn't need to do it anymore because she is now the ruler. It's a bit of a shame that Chris, Christopher and possibly Ashleigh have gotten close to her, but I think it was inevitable due to the small number of housemates. I think she does have a good side (everyone does) and that's coming out now that she doesn't need to attack, but she's still that horrible person that entered and she keeps rearing her head every now and then.

This is the first time I've watched BB and been actively involved in a BB community, reading news/Facebook/Twitter etc, and I can't believe how quickly the majority will swap their opinions for the latest edit.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Other housemates have said she has changed though, cant really edit that unless they dub the words coming out of their mouths like a cheap Japanese film.

That is true since they have lived with her, but we're entitled to our opinions too because ALL the housemates are vying for the public to love them.

[rosie1991]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

I'm really peed off about this Helen redemption thing. I can't believe people are falling for it. I'm fine with people liking Helen, but buying the blatant manipulation from BB? Nope. My mum thinks Helen is amazing now and although she loved Chris at the start has decided he's creepy.. she just falls for whatever they throw at her. You need to read between the lines people

For me, it's like this; the Helen that entered the house is the real Helen. She went in as an aggressive animal to take 'top dog' of the house. Teared the weak ones down, drew the stronger ones to her... and it wasn't until BB warned her that she began to calm down, and as people she didn't like or couldn't control got evicted, she didn't need to do it anymore because she is now the ruler. It's a bit of a shame that Chris, Christopher and possibly Ashleigh have gotten close to her, but I think it was inevitable due to the small number of housemates. I think she does have a good side (everyone does) and that's coming out now that she doesn't need to attack, but she's still that horrible person that entered and she keeps rearing her head every now and then.

This is the first time I've watched BB and been actively involved in a BB community, reading news/Facebook/Twitter etc, and I can't believe how quickly the majority will swap their opinions for the latest edit.

I couldn't agree more. I despair.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

I'm really peed off about this Helen redemption thing. I can't believe people are falling for it. I'm fine with people liking Helen, but buying the blatant manipulation from BB? Nope. My mum thinks Helen is amazing now and although she loved Chris at the start has decided he's creepy.. she just falls for whatever they throw at her. You need to read between the lines people

This is the first time I've watched BB and been actively involved in a BB community, reading news/Facebook/Twitter etc, and I can't believe how quickly the majority will swap their opinions for the latest edit.

I, too am quite amazed that some viewers have fallen for Helens supposed redemption. She shouldn't have needed one in the first place, but she attacked, bullied and swore her way through the earlier weeks without empathy for anyone.

Her get out of jail card of holding her hands up and admitting her faults also lets her off the hook as she them doesn't get told that she is such a nasty bitch. She should be glad people don't say it to her face as she seems to think is the best way or she would have ejected in double quick time.

Now, she has the house, more or less how she wants it, she has calmed down, but those who think she is being hard done by, by having the public tell her what she doesn't want to hear, well it has been a long time coming.

She is still nasty underneath her calmer persona, I hope things go very wrong for her only to show those who say she has changed that the new Helen is only skin deep, the previous Helen was her real personality and she can turn in a second. You don't lose that ingrained nastiness in a few weeks.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I shudder if people have actually fallen for it.

Winston's mask is slowly slipping too in terms of his dumb act, fair play to him for playing the game and wanting to win though.

You shudder away then,I like Helen,disliked her at the beginning but SHE has won me round nothing to do with BB , infact if I listened to them I'de still be disliking her.

[Jamesy]

They can still edit sections out of times of the day though.

We see "she has changed now". The real conversation goes "she has changed now... although I still think she's horrible" etc.. the beauty of editing.

It's like the diary room conversations. When the camera cuts to the door outside, that's just a clip to break out the conversation in the diary room so they can only show us certain things people have said and not the full thing.

Easy way to manipulate an audience, moreso without live feed.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by rosie1991

Unfortunately folks will always fall for the good edits concerning certain housemates.

That's BB 2014 for you.

Yes ,I've noticed this but certainly not from Helen fans

[LukeB]

if helen never bullied anyone or been agressive she would of had a great chance of winning

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You shudder away then,I like Helen,disliked her at the beginning but SHE has won me round nothing to do with BB , infact if I listened to them I'de still be disliking her.

This ^^

[VanessaFeltz.]

Helen for win!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

They can still edit sections out of times of the day though.

We see "she has changed now". The real conversation goes "she has changed now... although I still think she's horrible" etc.. the beauty of editing.

It's like the diary room conversations. When the camera cuts to the door outside, that's just a clip to break out the conversation in the diary room so they can only show us certain things people have said and not the full thing.

Easy way to manipulate an audience, moreso without live feed.

Exactly

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

I'm really peed off about this Helen redemption thing. I can't believe people are falling for it. I'm fine with people liking Helen, but buying the blatant manipulation from BB? Nope. My mum thinks Helen is amazing now and although she loved Chris at the start has decided he's creepy.. she just falls for whatever they throw at her. You need to read between the lines people

For me, it's like this; the Helen that entered the house is the real Helen. She went in as an aggressive animal to take 'top dog' of the house. Teared the weak ones down, drew the stronger ones to her... and it wasn't until BB warned her that she began to calm down, and as people she didn't like or couldn't control got evicted, she didn't need to do it anymore because she is now the ruler. It's a bit of a shame that Chris, Christopher and possibly Ashleigh have gotten close to her, but I think it was inevitable due to the small number of housemates. I think she does have a good side (everyone does) and that's coming out now that she doesn't need to attack, but she's still that horrible person that entered and she keeps rearing her head every now and then.

This is the first time I've watched BB and been actively involved in a BB community, reading news/Facebook/Twitter etc, and I can't believe how quickly the majority will swap their opinions for the latest edit.

I haven't fallen for it...no one changes overnight...Helen will leave the house the same vile person she came in....no journey rubbish for me.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Helen for win!

she not going to win

#bulliesneverwin

[Tip]

I think she has changed at least in some ways.

I'm pretty sure she'd have never said to a fellow HM that she is nice to people even if she "doesn't like them because it's easier" in the first few weeks. Time and experience can indeed change how people behave. Whether changes to behaviour mean that anything substantial has changed in her character is debatable of course.

Whether that means that she'd never treat people how she did when she first went in the house, I don't know. I don't know if she ever treated people that way outside of the house anyway - or if it was an odd blip in her normal character due to it being BB.

I have opinions on it, but I don't actually know or care too much. I'm just glad not to be seeing her old behaviour.

[Kazanne]

I'm truly AMAZED that people are so closeminded to think people should suffer such grief and malice for something that went on in her past,Helen sold her body,Ashleigh flaunts herself like a piece of meat,Helen has been nasty,so has Ashleigh,both are potty mouthed,both are bitchy,both speak to each other now,so why the venom against helen

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm truly AMAZED that people are so closeminded to think people should suffer such grief and malice for something that went on in her past,Helen sold her body,Ashleigh flaunts herself like a piece of meat,Helen has been nasty,so has Ashleigh,both are potty mouthed,both are bitchy,both speak to each other now,so why the venom against helen

difference is helen bullied ashleigh just bitched like most people do

no one likes a bully, bullies are scums

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm truly AMAZED that people are so closeminded to think people should suffer such grief and malice for something that went on in her past,Helen sold her body,Ashleigh flaunts herself like a piece of meat,Helen has been nasty,so has Ashleigh,both are potty mouthed,both are bitchy,both speak to each other now,so why the venom against helen

Absolutely agree. The haters on both sides are making up complete distortions of reality now. I couldn't give a flying fig what Helen did a few years ago, and I'm certainly not going to sit in judgement of her, they should perhaps be looking more inward to their own behaviour. It sure isn't pretty.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LukeB

she not going to win

#bulliesneverwin

Hush with the bully card now,it's been overplayed

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Hush with the bully card now,it's been overplayed

not really
truth hurts