[ThriceShy]

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

[Liam-]

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude

Try us

[ebandit]

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

[bots]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

This was clarified by Stephanie on BOTS, Gary opened a drawer in the bathroom and it hit Lauren, not the same as is being implied at all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

No way,lol,this is pretty weak but at least you tried,Gary does not BARGE into people he would be told by BB if he did and God forbid he bumped into someone by accident AND apologised,lol,not even seen or heard about the cups stuff,probably something Stephanie cooked up,and you cannot even remember the supposed insult in the shower so it cant have been so terrible,as for he never refutes anything ,he probably doesn't hear what's said properly,and they never give him chance to say much anyway,sorry people will have to do better than this

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No way,lol,this is pretty weak but at least you tried,Gary does not BARGE into people he would be told by BB if he did and God forbid he bumped into someone by accident AND apologised,lol,not even seen or heard about the cups stuff,probably something Stephanie cooked up,and you cannot even remember the supposed insult in the shower so it cant have been so terrible,as for he never refutes anything ,he probably doesn't hear what's said properly,and they never give him chance to say much anyway,sorry people will have to do better than this

in both examples I quoted gary admitted to being in the wrong and that he would try harder in the future.........neither was stephanie

I rememember gary referring to james as butt**cker...not nice!

Mark L

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

Whispering about George, James was egging him on and all he was saying was a truth for some. Nervous people often walk around etc. etc. Gosh I wonder if he heard George say that he didnt go in there to babysit or was it to be a carer or was it something else.

He supposedly doesnt have showers so we have never seen him in the shower room, I cannot even remember seeing James have a shower come to that. Are you talking about the time that James went to put his finger up Leslies posterior when Leslie was bent over? Never refutes, it is easier to agree and to say sorry because half the time he doesnt even know what they are talking about and a number of housemates against one is hardly fair now is it. Havent heard anything about spitting things out into HMs cups, I thought the cups belonged to all of them.

Nah but oh my gosh, Gary are you in there with so many perfect HMs, tut tut now behave yourself. I guess none of us should pick on any of them because in all instances something else can be brought to the attention of all......

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by ebandit

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=264281

Mark L

Why have you posted a link to a lie thread?

Gary never said what is alleged.

No deal, buddy.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

How was gary's comment homophobic? If you think asking if someone is gay is homophobic then I don't think gary is the one with the problem.

When did he spit in cups? Was this shown?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by ebandit

whispering about george , barging into housemates ( the time gary apologised for ) spitting stuff back out into hm's cups ( also that gary apologised for ) insulting james in the shower in the early stages ( some homophobic comment )

quickly off the top of my head adding to hm's constant complaints often to gary's face which he never refutes

Mark L

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

Very well said.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Alone in a sea of hostility from a clique of bullying arse'oles the guy would apologize for the kidnapping of Shergar if one of them insisted that he was guilty of abducting the horse - it's a form of Passive Resistance. There are no real examples of Gary being rude, just examples of bullying pricks saying he's rude and a great gullibility - or willing prejudice - in those willing to accept the lies. The most blatant example is your last example; that Gary insulted James in the shower with some homophobic comment. Anyone concluding that, who actually observed what really occurred, would have scored the Battle of The Little Big Horn a victory for Custer. What really transpired is that Leslie had donned rubber gloves and was about to 'nosey' through the packing case used in the fake 'Duchess of Solihull' prank involving Dee. James saw Leslie don the gloves then bent over, thrust his arse towards Leslie, then pretended to part his own butt cheeks in mock readiness for some homosexual foreplay. Gary just happened to walk past, saw the scenario before him, recognised it was humorous and - probably trying to fit in and be accepted after all the vitriolic rejection and bullying he had thus far encountered - made a jocular, light-hearted comment; "aah... Getting ready for a butt****?!" - which was exactly what (closeted) James was pretending to do. There was no insult. There was no homophobic intent on Gary's part, and no sane, rational, fair-minded person could construe as much from the facts. If there was any homophobia in this incident , it was from James, given what he did, and given the fact that Leslie is a self confessed Gay. The only reason there is notoriety attached to what should have been no more than horse-play is that the game-playing bullying **** which is James, seized on Gary's perfectly innocuous contribution, to make capital out of it and try to bend the facts to justify further bullying of him.

All opinions on what we actually see and hear will always vary to a degree but there is a huge gulf between the facts here and what is claimed. If someone walked into a very dimly lit garage and they see a piece of coiled rope on the floor ahead of them, then they run out screaming "snake" - this is a misunderstanding. If that person walked into a very brightly lit garage, saw the coil of rope, recognised it as such, then they still run out screaming "snake", then they are lying attention seekers. Yet, worse than that person are those who witness the incident, also recognise the coil of rope, but then not only readily go along with the lying attention seeker's version of events, but actually perversely delight in propagating the lies.

Well said......it is like chinese whispers, James told one who didnt see what was going, then it goes to another and then another etc. etc. each time it can be built up upon. They all listened to James and Leslie to begin with......Leslie admitted that he had treated Gary wrongly and he wanted to apologise to his family. Oh no, no no I can still see Leslie in the middle of that pool with his fans around him......it will stay with me for the rest of my days. Is there a plonker smilie here?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Is there any point? no matter how many examples are given, you and many other people on here just won't accept that he's rude

Tut Tut Liam, this can't be you copping out?

[ThriceShy]

Tumble weed city in here already. Quelle Surprise.

[ThriceShy]

Thing is, the only vague examples that i have ever seen posted are all very recent. If they genuinely were rude then they would be justified as Gary retaliating. The bullying of gary started in the first couple of days.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

There are countless examples of the HMs being rude to Gary, but few, if any, of him being genuinely rude to them. The rudeness claim is purely a means of putting him down and singling him out for their mob bullying tactics.

[jaxie]

Why is there no tumbleweed emoticon?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Why is there no tumbleweed emoticon?

They probably all got used up in the Stephanie appreciation thread.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I have watched every highlights show, every live feed and every web clip. I have never seen anything from gary that I would describe as rude.

So let's have the concrete examples of this supposed rudeness.

No,ThriceShy,because quite simply there are none.

[Kazanne]

[Tip]

I haven't really accused Gary of being rude - but I have admitted I probably couldn't live with him 24/7.

There was only once I can think of where I did think "hmmm, he actually is a bit rude" and that was in the video where he was giving advice to Frenchy. Don't know what it was called, but he was telling her she needed to "acclimatise" and she was saying that she just wanted to be herself - he ended up calling her stupid because she didn't agree with him. Well that's vaguely how I remember it.

Other people will say he wasn't being rude no doubt but that's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and reactions to things. When other people are seeing a font of all wisdom, I am seeing an arrogance and refusal to listen to anyone else which is reminiscent of James in a way.

Over all however, I don't see Gary as rude, but I do see him as lacking somewhat in social skills at times in his interactions. That may be due to selective highlights too so I take it all with a pinch of salt both ways.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tip

I haven't really accused Gary of being rude - but I have admitted I probably couldn't live with him 24/7.

There was only once I can think of where I did think "hmmm, he actually is a bit rude" and that was in the video where he was giving advice to Frenchy. Don't know what it was called, but he was telling her she needed to "acclimatise" and she was saying that she just wanted to be herself - he ended up calling her stupid because she didn't agree with him. Well that's vaguely how I remember it.

Other people will say he wasn't being rude no doubt but that's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions and reactions to things. When other people are seeing a font of all wisdom, I am seeing an arrogance and refusal to listen to anyone else which is reminiscent of James in a way.

Over all however, I don't see Gary as rude, but I do see him as lacking somewhat in social skills at times in his interactions. That may be due to selective highlights too so I take it all with a pinch of salt both ways.

we could go around in circles, now in what way did he say stupid? It is all so immaterial tbh, he comes across as rude sometimes because of his "what" and his facial expression. It is just him and the different ways it can be perceived.

I think he has plenty of social skills, this is borne out by his vts on his charity work. He speaks and interacts very well but of course he is in his comfort zone. In the house it is entirely different and he knows what the others feel about him.

He possibly reacts in his own way to a situation, as in wearing his pyjama trousers. Had to laugh at that but as Dee isnt his carer she neednt have told him. He may have possibly sorted himself out. As he said it is what is inside which is important, not how one looks and he stood by his guns. He is nobodies sheep. They are all different which is just as well as otherwise the show would have been very boring. I wonder who they would have pulled to pieces had Gary not been there, who would have been their scapegoat?

[cfromhx02]

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

[bots]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

All you need to do is look, it's really obvious.

I've already given 3 clear ones, there are many more.

1. How he sat on the edge of the bed and stared at Stephanie like a stalker when she was having to go to lengths of eben hiding under covers to get away from him

2. How he said bluntly with a hard stare at George " No Way buddie" when showing he would not show tolerance to others human errors

3. How he sneakily threatened Dee with " It's nominations again soon" with a grin on his face rather than just let her walk away.

Case Closed.

The lengths people will go to try and criticize Gary is hilarious. All weak and flimsy attempts that I've seen so far