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Originally Posted by LiamPRW
But then from the other side, if they did nothing for him and told him to do everything for himself, they'd probably still be in the wrong for not helping him.
In my eyes i genuinely don't think that they saw him as 'below' themselves, they saw an old man, who might need help with things so they helped him without questioning it first, it's a natural reaction, if you see an older person walking down the street carrying something that looks heavy, you ask if they need any help, it's natural, i don't think they should be punished for just doing what everyone else would do.
It's not wanting to belittle someone or defame them, it just acknowledging that some old people may need help, whereas a lot of them don't, like Gary, he was capable of doing the majority of things for himself, but the things he couldn't or wouldn't do for himself, he needed a little nudge along in order for him to do so.
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We are going to have to disagree on this one Liam, why are they being punished, they are punishing themselves. Dee and James had an oppourtunity to let things stay in the house. They didnt they brought it out at BBOTS. Dee's behaviour was disgusting, the pair of them are still carrying on.
He didnt need help, he slipped up, was asked to better himself and he did. Who else slipped up, mm let me think .... See what you are really saying is that Stephanie and James were right to say he should be in a dog kennel, that meant that they thought he was a lesser subject, there are so many things if we go back over. Babysitter, carers etc. etc. Not a good example for Ricci's children (when he has them) so was Ricci climbing all over a middleaged woman a good example? I was ok with him until he said that. The insults which have been given, so they are ok? We try and bring people down because it makes us feel better, it makes us forget our own inadequacies. Mind you as we get older we learn that it isnt right and we accept that we are as good as anybody, we then learn empathy.
Gary really put James in his place but James couldnt take it, he went into the DR the eyes and ears of the public, he declared that Audley, Kellie and Gary were .... cant remember his exact words but they meant that they were below him, why should he take any notice, how dare BB do such a thing! He could not and still does not take criticism.
There is so much Liam, I am of the older generation and to me it has been very ageist, this is borne out by the fact that it was ok for George to bear his bottom but not for Gary. So many other things and I object. You are a young man and I feel you want to stand up against us. On the other hand your grandad is a lucky chappie to have such a lovely grandson.
Re the elderly, not everyone appreciates the help and most would like to ask for it first, when others take over it can be seen as patronising. One has to be very careful there because not everyone has a sense of humour. I remember someone asking my husband if he wanted a seat (I was sat down on a side seat) he refused but I made everyone laugh as I looked up and said "there it shows you are getting old). Well in my books a laugh a day keeps the doctor away. Anyway love you have fun, we will never agree on this one. I never argued over Helen I stood up for Chris but I couldnt stand Helen and didnt think she should have won.
Before I close I will say that I have grandchildren and they treasure me, I feel well blessed, I understand the young but sometimes it is hard for the young to understand the old. For mine we are all the same young and old and we work together.
Audley,
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