[GypsyGoth]

I think it will be a yes, but I think it was Josy that mentioned in another thread that even if it's a no, Scotland will change massively anyway. And it makes sense to have people in Scotland making policy and spending the money raised in taxes on Scotland.

I feel that the no campaign has been very confused and contradictory, and I guess their main goal is to make people petrified that if they vote yes, it will be the end of Scotland, like it will go bankrupt or something and have loads of unemployment, and that's just nonsense.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Vote No and you can keep your membership!

I am voting no

[Marsh.]

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think it will be a yes, but I think it was Josy that mentioned in another thread that even if it's a no, Scotland will change massively anyway. And it makes sense to have people in Scotland making policy and spending the money raised in taxes on Scotland.

I feel that the no campaign has been very confused and contradictory, and I guess their main goal is to make people petrified that if they vote yes, it will be the end of Scotland, like it will go bankrupt or something and have loads of unemployment, and that's just nonsense.

It's not nonsense, there are countries that their economies have failed such as Greece.

Alex salmond is making promises with no substance and telling lies to people to make them think that Scotland is better off without being part of the United Kingdom.

Salmond also said that the yes campaign was team Scotland which is very insulting and very unfair to say. I am a proud scot but I don't need scotland to be independent to validate myself as Scottish. As well as being a proud scot i am also a proud Brit. I can see sense and see that being part of a strog United Kingdom that my future kids and family will have better opportunities better security.

How can people vote yes based on uncertainty? I'm not willing to take a risk that could ruin the country.

breaking a union that has been together since 1707 is ridiculous in my view, why it's even come to This point is shocking.

#bettertogether

[Mystic Mock]

I want Scotland to stay, but I can easily understand that they would want to be on their own and elect their own parties instead of having the Tories forced on them when they're not voting that particular Government in.

Also the way this campaign has been handled in the most ridiculous ways ever, instead of focusing on the positives of how Scotland and the rest of the UK benefit by being together, we instead get these idiots insulting Scotland by making out that they can't survive by themselves when I actually think that they would cope okay as long as they can accept that stuff like Uni fees, and perscriptions will have to be paid for because there's no UK budget to help finance them anymore.

But I would be insulted if I was told that my country could not survive by itself.

[lostalex]

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree Joey and, ironically, I agree because Scotland has for so long been British. And Britain for over half a century has been ruled with fear and pessimism. On the whole, as a population, we are sadly fearful and pessimistic people. That's what will win the day in that booth - when it comes down to a vote fuelled by hope Vs a vote fuelled by fear... fear will win every time. "Better Together" knows this, and it's why they've based almost their entire campaign on scare tactics. There's been a very vocal criticism of that tactic and a rejection of it has been reflected in the polls BUT, when it comes down to it, the silent majority will be influenced by it when it's just them, alone, with a pen and a voting slip.

Yes, I agree with all that Toy Soldier,especially as you say when right at the crunch time of casting the votes.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

oh yeah, ireland's really powerful right now

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

If that did happen and culturally I agree its likely as the scots irish are pretty much the same blood and very close cousins, trade would no doubt masisvely increase between the 2 and billions would be spent on transport between the 2.... then the welsh would eventually jump ship to their fellow celts too. the irish always pass through anglesey and west wales.....again a bridge could be built between wales and ireland... ultimately it may work out better for us english as wed then refind our identity. patriotism is fine, though for me its the hard working people and english achievements that engender patriotism not the waste of space anti democratic monarchy, though I suspect a hardcore nationalism may rear its ugly head again. hopefully not.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you know what would really piss off england, is if Scotland decided to make a union with ireland, Ireland and Scotland could gang up and become just as powerful as england and wales.

Well I'm hoping for England and Scotland will still be friends whatever the result, I quite like Scotland so I wouldn't want to be scared to ever visit their country whenever I do get a job and be able to pay for the trip there.

Btw I was going by if we antagonize them enough to hate us or vice versa.

[MTVN]

I'm about 90% confident it will be a No vote and think everyone has been getting a bit unduly panicked, though it's true that whatever the result the Scots' relationship with the rest of the UK won't ever be the same again

[Novo]

Think and hope it will be No

[Jords]

I hope they vote to stay but Im not too sure y'know

[Lee.]

I'm 99.9% sure of a yes vote now.. This time last year, I would have said it'd almost certainly be a big no.

I actually can't contain my excitement any more and am desperate to get out if hospital on Thursday!!

However, I do also believe that whatever the result on Friday, us stoic scots will eventually pull together and make the most of the situation.

[Natalie.]

Think it'll be a no but so close

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

It's not nonsense, there are countries that their economies have failed such as Greece.

Alex salmond is making promises with no substance and telling lies to people to make them think that Scotland is better off without being part of the United Kingdom.

Salmond also said that the yes campaign was team Scotland which is very insulting and very unfair to say. I am a proud scot but I don't need scotland to be independent to validate myself as Scottish. As well as being a proud scot i am also a proud Brit. I can see sense and see that being part of a strog United Kingdom that my future kids and family will have better opportunities better security.

How can people vote yes based on uncertainty? I'm not willing to take a risk that could ruin the country.

breaking a union that has been together since 1707 is ridiculous in my view, why it's even come to This point is shocking.

#bettertogether

If you think that the Scottish economy will fail then you are wrong. There are over 100 countries with smaller populations than Scotland and all of them have functioning economies. And I'm sure the majority of the people running them didn't receive as good an education as the ones who would be running the Scottish economy. So I accept you're a proud Scot, but I think maybe you could trust in other Scottish people to do a good competent job if independence is achieved.

And you're still going to be together, it's not like Scotland is gonna move. A new union would be formed straight away if it's a yes vote. The main difference is that Scotland would be run from Scotland and not London.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Think and hope it will be No

The pic in your sig... So proud to be British, the union flag on the right is upside down. Well done lads.

I think if Scotland votes yes it will be a disaster for them. If they do, let's all meet here in five years to discuss how it's going.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think if Scotland votes yes it will be a disaster for them.

Why do you think that, though?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why do you think that, though?

Because I don't think they've done the maths.

[Brother Leon]

I think it will be no, but I'm not fussed if it's yes really.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Because I don't think they've done the maths.

Because you've actually looked at the figures... or because London says so?

I only ask because I find that most people who worry about the numbers immediately start talking about oil: when IMO, the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely. And all that's required is a functioning economy in order to start BUILDING a better economy.

The overall UK economy, on the other hand, is completely broken and still spiraling whilst we're all conveniently distracted by talk of war and independence campaigns. It can't be fixed, it's completely balanced on London economics (overinflated land value and the financial sector), and that's a timebomb.

Indy Scotland in 5 years time may well be in a worse financial position than where it currently stands but, for the life of me, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that the rUK won't be floundering too, or that the combined UK in the event of a "No" vote won't still be circling the drain.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because you've actually looked at the figures... or because London says so?

I only ask because I find that most people who worry about the numbers immediately start talking about oil: when IMO, the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely. And all that's required is a functioning economy in order to start BUILDING a better economy.

The overall UK economy, on the other hand, is completely broken and still spiraling whilst we're all conveniently distracted by talk of war and independence campaigns. It can't be fixed, it's completely balanced on London economics (overinflated land value and the financial sector), and that's a timebomb.

Indy Scotland in 5 years time may well be in a worse financial position than where it currently stands but, for the life of me, I have absolutely no idea why anyone thinks that the rUK won't be floundering too, or that the combined UK in the event of a "No" vote won't still be circling the drain.

Slightly disappointed that you'd think I made up my mind because London told me. But what they hey...

I never mentioned oil. I never mentioned it because in a few years time it'll be finished anyway. So if there's a yes vote, for your sake, I hope you're right.

To me, it feels like Scotland wants a divorce, but they want all the perks of being married, including a joint bank account. And has anyone wondered what's going to happen to all the Scots living and working in England? Scotland won't be a member of the EU, so are those Scots going to need a visa now? Likewise the English living and working in Scotland? And what about defence? Do you think that Scotland won't be a target for terrorists, ever? The tiny army proposed by Mr Salmand is worthless, so what about your national security? Unless you think Scotland is suddenly going to be everyone's friend.

Ideally I'd like to see all four countries come together like grown ups, Ireland included. I'd like to see each one take care of our own business in our own country but also act jointly for the good of all. Sadly, history shows us we can't be grown up about this because the bitterness and the finger-pointing continues from all sides.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I want a yes and then declare war on England and take it over using out nuclear weapons as a big stick

then we can enslave them and bleed the country dry

we could also sell their children to France as slaves and shut all the cinemas and bingo halls so they would have to stay in and listen to radio 4 as tv would also be shut down


that will learn them

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

the figures and resources add up to a perfectly functional economy even with oil taken out of the equation completely.

Is this backed up by fact, because I'm not aware of it, and would be much relieved if it were true.

From what I can see, those in favour of independence are not concentrating on the economy at all, they seem to be more attracted to a vision that may or may not be a wonderful Scotland in a few generations time.

[reece(:]

If they go independent does this mean we need a passport to go to Scotland now;o