[T*]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

You can predict celebrities deaths and celebrate them for a yearly game on that forum but any form of homophobia and you join the ranks of Harold Shipman and Anders Brevik

Oh dear.. Comparing a forum game to homophobia..
Anyway, in the deathlist, people aren't hoping they die, nor celebrating them. The deathlist has people whom think those people will die this year, they don't go 'Oh I hope that X dies this year, and Y, better put them in my list!'

[Braden]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Its alright for the likes of us isn't it? who have been brought up to believe same sex relationships are normal but to the Russians and a lot of other countries around the world the majority do not think its normal,I cant condemn her for having her own ideas, I just understand the situation and move on

I completely understand what your saying here, but I think the 'over-reaction' and anger towards her comments were more to do with the fact that the majority of us were fans of hers, and personally I never thought she would say these things.

[armand.kay]

Hew?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Its alright for the likes of us isn't it? who have been brought up to believe same sex relationships are normal but to the Russians and a lot of other countries around the world the majority do not think its normal,I cant condemn her for having her own ideas, I just understand the situation and move on

This would make sense had she claimed to not feel "okay" about same sex female couples..

[Redway]

She's a perfect example of your username, StupidHoe.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Locke.

She said it isn't as bad as the rest, are you trying to say that it is worse?

She said it was only a little better though. And according to her "a man has no right to be a fag"... you're seriously saying that's okay and it's a big overreaction?

[Cal.]

oh look an irrel

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Jake.

This would make sense had she claimed to not feel "okay" about same sex female couples..

I was talking about Russians and other countries in a general sense then, her ideas are obviously based on her upbringing in Russia, she for whatever reason has decided to accept lesbians though

[Kizzy]

Because Russian men like looking at lesbians?

[Novo]

That is even more sexist then the OP, disgusting stuff

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Oh wait she's a female and attractive so it's ok xxx

Wouldn't say she's attractive really, just normal looking.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Its alright for the likes of us isn't it? who have been brought up to believe same sex relationships are normal but to the Russians and a lot of other countries around the world the majority do not think its normal,I cant condemn her for having her own ideas, I just understand the situation and move on

Her upbringing is a weak excuse. I was born in a heavily racist area but that doesn't mean that I'm going to swallow all the **** I was told I should believe when I was a kid. I didn't accept it then and I don't accept it now. This woman is just a ****ty human being that would turn on her own children for simply having the 'wrong' sexuality. Something they cannot control.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Her upbringing is a weak excuse. I was born in a heavily racist area but that doesn't mean that I'm going to swallow all the **** I was told I should believe when I was a kid. I didn't accept it then and I don't accept it now. This woman is just a ****ty human being that would turn on her own children for simply having the 'wrong' sexuality. Something they cannot control.

[Locke.]

Bit silly comparing somewhere in the West Midlands to Russia

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Her upbringing is a weak excuse. I was born in a heavily racist area but that doesn't mean that I'm going to swallow all the **** I was told I should believe when I was a kid. I didn't accept it then and I don't accept it now. This woman is just a ****ty human being that would turn on her own children for simply having the 'wrong' sexuality. Something they cannot control.

Its a tiny bit different being brought up in England then Russia, the influence in Russia is much more visable then anything over here, if your born in Russia, Grow up in Russia and love Russia then your certaintly going to believe the Russian ways, would you say the area you grow up in had no one that could guide you towards believing equality? Would you say the same about Russia?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Bit silly comparing somewhere in the West Midlands to Russia

Yep. Our society is clearly a multicultural and liberal one so in mainstream she would be slaughtered for it. From what we have been led to believe Russia on the whole does not have a particularly tolerant view of homosexuals on any societal level. She will have probably been indoctrinated with those views.

[Glenn.]

Nuke them

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

Its a tiny bit different being brought up in England then Russia, the influence in Russia is much more visable then anything over here, if your born in Russia, Grow up in Russia and love Russia then your certaintly going to believe the Russian ways, would you say the area you grow up in had no one that could guide you towards believing equality? Would you say the same about Russia?

The point of the comparison is that you don't have to accept the flaws of your upbringing and using it as an excuse is weak. She traveled the world when she was successful, she had the chance to experience different cultures and different ways yet she held on to her homophobia so there's no excuse for her, especially when you consider that the gays probably had a large part in her success.

To pity her is to give her validation so she gets no pity from me, she's a hateful hag that's swallowed the government's coolaid when she's old enough to know better. There's plenty of people in Russia who aren't homophobic so what's her excuse?

[Ramsay]

Youtube video

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point of the comparison is that you don't have to accept the flaws of your upbringing and using it as an excuse is weak. She traveled the world when she was successful, she had the chance to experience different cultures and different ways yet she held on to her homophobia so there's no excuse for her, especially when you consider that the gays probably had a large part in her success.

To pity her is to give her validation so she gets no pity from me, she's a hateful hag that's swallowed the government's coolaid when she's old enough to know better. There's plenty of people in Russia who aren't homophobic so what's her excuse?

They don't see it as flaws though, Many Russians think its perfectly normal, the same way we think its normal for same sex relationships to exist, and many Russians travel the world but still keep the same views because they genuinely believe it is right, and I don't pity her or agree with other Russians who have similar views but I do understand

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by NovoBaratheon

They don't see it as flaws though, Many Russians think its perfectly normal, the same way we think its normal for same sex relationships to exist, and many Russians travel the world but still keep the same views because they genuinely believe it is right, and I don't pity her or agree with other Russians who have similar views but I do understand

That's still validating her though, Anyone that has been given the opportunities she has yet still holds their homophobic views are the people that should be condemned. People outgrow the flaws of their upbringing, the ones that don't have no excuse.

[Kizzy]

It is a big culture clash and she would maybe be risking more than a rubbishing on social media if she vocalised her real feelings?
Whether or not we feel she is right or wrong to do it I doubt anyone here would have the cahoonas to say any different in her position.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jords

This seems more sexist than homophobic.

all homophobia is rooted in sexism. gay men are a disgrace because they lower themselves to the level of women, that is the thinking.

Lesbianism is okay in certain circumstances, because they are doing it for men and to turn men on, so it's not as bad. But lesbians that don't do it for men are bad, because they are trying to pretend to be men, that kind of lesbianism is bad.

The connection between misogyny and homophobia is clear.

[UserSince2005]

disgraced Russians need banning from British radio.

[glib]

Originally Posted by lostalex

all homophobia is rooted in sexism. gay men are a disgrace because they lower themselves to the level of women, that is the thinking.

Lesbianism is okay in certain circumstances, because they are doing it for men and to turn men on, so it's not as bad.

Why does transphobia against ftm exist then

Also lesbians don’t exist to ‘turn men on’