[kirklancaster]

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz3FSatHEGQ

Have scientists proved there is life after death? Research into 'near-death' experiences reveals awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down

• Scientists conducted study of those who suffered cardiac arrests
• Nearly 40% of those who survived described 'awareness' during time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted
• One man recalled leaving his body and watching his own resuscitation

Consciousness may continue even after death, scientists now believe.
Research into 'near-death' experiences has revealed that awareness and the mind may continue to exist after the brain has ceased to function and the body is clinically dead.

Scientists at the University of Southampton conducted a four-year study of more than 2,000 patients who had suffered cardiac arrests.
The research spanned cases at 15 hospitals in the UK, U.S. and Austria.
The findings revealed nearly 40 per cent of those who survived described some kind of 'awareness' during the time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted.

Out of body: In the study, conducted by scientists from the University of Southampton, one man even recollected leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room. (File image)
Dr Sam Parnia, a former Southampton University research fellow now based at the State University of New York, who led the study, said: 'The evidence thus far suggests that in the first few minutes after death, consciousness is not annihilated.

'Whether it fades away afterwards, we do not know, but right after death, consciousness is not lost.'
The scientists heard one man recall leaving his body entirely, watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.
The 57-year-old social worker from Southampton was 'dead' for three minutes yet managed to recount detailed actions of the nursing staff and the sound of the machines.
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Dr Parnia said: 'We know the brain can't function when the heart has stopped beating. 'But in this case conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn't beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped.

'This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating.
'Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events.'

A total of 2,060 cardiac arrest patients were studied.
Of that number, 330 survived and 140 said that had been partly aware at the time of resuscitating.

Moment of peace: The bright light or golden flash image often used in Hollywood films was also described by some patients. Others experienced an unpleasant sensation of fears of drowning

Thirty-nine per cent of patients who survived cardiac arrest and were able to undergo interviews described a perception of awareness, but did not have any explicit memory of events.

'This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall,' said Dr Parnia.

Among the study participants who recalled awareness, and completed further interviews, 46 per cent experienced a wide range of mental recollections, that were not compatible with the commonly used term, near death experiences. They included feelings of fear and persecution.

Lead researcher: Dr Sam Parnia said: 'The evidence thus far suggests that in the first few minutes after death, consciousness is not annihilated'
Only nine per cent had experiences commonly linked to a near death experiences, while two per cent showed full awareness or out of body experiences.

They explicitly recalled 'seeing' and 'hearing' events after their hearts had stopped. In many of the cases, several similar trends emerged.

One in five described a feeling of peacefulness in the moment after death.
A third said time had either moved more quickly or slowed down. An out-of-body experience was felt by 13 per cent of those asked.

The bright light or golden flash image often used in Hollywood films was also described by some patients. Others experienced a more unpleasant sensation of fears of drowning or being dragged through deep water.

Dr Parnia said that the number of people having experiences when close to death would be higher were it not for drugs and sedatives given to patients.
The study was launched in 2008 following a successful 18-month pilot phase at selected hospitals in the UK.

It allowed the research to be expanded to include other centres within the UK, mainland Europe and North America.

Dr Parnia added: 'Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.
'If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as 'cardiac arrest'; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called 'death.
'In this study we wanted to go beyond the emotionally charged yet poorly defined term of near death experiences to explore objectively what happens when we die.

'While it was not possible to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness, (due to the very low incidence - two per cent - of explicit recall of visual awareness or so called out of body experiences), it was impossible to disclaim them either and more work is needed in this area.

'Clearly, the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice.'

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Scientists? Life-After-Death?

Oh my, dear LeatherTrumpet --

-- "Kirk always used to say that life is like a box of chocolates... You never know what your gonna get next".

"Run LeatherTrumpet Run"

[arista]

No as these people were not Fully Dead

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

No as these people were not Fully Dead

I'm not saying they have Arista - it's scientists who are saying it.

I can only quote my good friend Yang:

"There is nothing else unless you know better than the greatest scientific minds that have ever lived?"

Chill.

[Ramsay]

Love that DMT

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol

The headline infers life after death but the actual story is about people who briefly had a period where their heat stopped beating and then was restarted


dont restart the heart, come back in an hour and then do some research


findings: they all died and so far none have come back to life

conclusion: there is no life after death because death is death


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[andybigbro]

One can wish but a lot of people saying that they saw themselves whilst dead are probably lying.


There's no proof and I doubt there ever will be.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

lol

The headline infers life after death but the actual story is about people who briefly had a period where their heat stopped beating and then was restarted


dont restart the heart, come back in an hour and then do some research


findings: they all died and so far none have come back to life

conclusion: there is no life after death because death is death


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Point taken LT -- Dirty Lying Scientists (Well exaggerators at least)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Point taken LT -- Dirty Lying Scientists (Well exaggerators at least)

My advice was dont go to the DM for Science

Its specializes in Celebs in bikinis

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

findings: they all died and so far none have come back to life

conclusion: there is no life after death because death is death


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People not coming back to life is evidence that there is nothing after death?

Which university do you lecture at?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My advice was dont go to the DM for Science

Its specializes in Celebs in bikinis

Which is exactly why I go. I told you I'm not daft.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People not coming back to life is evidence that there is nothing after death?

Which university do you lecture at?

You Fking crease me Marsh seriously. I wish I was as quick sometimes.

[joeysteele]

I don't know really, from a Christian faith background that I came from,I have held on to the thought that something goes on after death.
Whether that is an energy force that lingers a while or even goes on endlessly, is something we don't know and we will never know either until we die.

Many things can not be conclusively proven or disproven by science and there are a great number of instances as described in the article above that are said to happen by people from all walks of life.

Things have happened that I have come across that leave me thinking there is something after life too,again nothing conclusive as to proof but some things that cannot just be explained away.

So I keep an open mind.
I'd like to think that all we do in this life matters, that those we come to love and develop bonds with has some greater meaning than just existing as a physical force.
I find the subject fascinating but am well aware,unless something dramatic happens, that I will get no answers until I die as to any questions.
If there is absolutely nothing after death, then clearly I won't get any answers then either.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know really, from a Christian faith background that I came from,I have held on to the thought that something goes on after death.
Whether that is an energy force that lingers a while or even goes on endlessly, is something we don't know and we will never know either until we die.

Many things can not be conclusively proven or disproven by science and there are a great number of instances as described in the article above that are said to happen by people from all walks of life.

Things have happened that I have come across that leave me thinking there is something after life too,again nothing conclusive as to proof but some things that cannot just be explained away.

So I keep an open mind.
I'd like to think that all we do in this life matters, that those we come to love and develop bonds with has some greater meaning than just existing as a physical force.
I find the subject fascinating but am well aware,unless something dramatic happens, that I will get no answers until I die as to any questions.
If there is absolutely nothing after death, then clearly I won't get any answers then either.

Great post Joey - and balanced.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...#ixzz3FSatHEGQ


Nearly 40% of those who survived described 'awareness' during time when they were clinically dead before their hearts were restarted

One man recalled leaving his body and watching his own resuscitation

A total of 2,060 cardiac arrest patients were studied.
Of that number, 330 survived and 140 said that had been partly aware at the time of resuscitating.

Moment of peace: The bright light or golden flash image often used in Hollywood films was also described by some patients. Others experienced an unpleasant sensation of fears of drowning

Thirty-nine per cent of patients who survived cardiac arrest and were able to undergo interviews described a perception of awareness, but did not have any explicit memory of events.

Among the study participants who recalled awareness, and completed further interviews, 46 per cent experienced a wide range of mental recollections, that were not compatible with the commonly used term, near death experiences. They included feelings of fear and persecution.

Only nine per cent had experiences commonly linked to a near death experiences, while two per cent showed full awareness or out of body experiences.

They explicitly recalled 'seeing' and 'hearing' events after their hearts had stopped. In many of the cases, several similar trends emerged.

One in five described a feeling of peacefulness in the moment after death.
A third said time had either moved more quickly or slowed down. An out-of-body experience was felt by 13 per cent of those asked.

The bright light or golden flash image often used in Hollywood films was also described by some patients. Others experienced a more unpleasant sensation of fears of drowning or being dragged through deep water.

Dr Parnia said that the number of people having experiences when close to death would be higher were it not for drugs and sedatives given to patients.
The study was launched in 2008 following a successful 18-month pilot phase at selected hospitals in the UK.

It allowed the research to be expanded to include other centres within the UK, mainland Europe and North America.


'While it was not possible to absolutely prove the reality or meaning of patients’ experiences and claims of awareness, (due to the very low incidence - two per cent - of explicit recall of visual awareness or so called out of body experiences), it was impossible to disclaim them either and more work is needed in this area.

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Not even a consistent story by the control group. Well that's me convinced. This is big news, I should go and have a look at the BBC homepage now that we have made such a profound discovery and changed the entire meaning of....oh wait. There's a story about a DJ raping a girl with Jimmy Saville but no headline on this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The actual science of the atoms that we are made of (from exploding stars millions of light years away) and that these atoms go to after we die (all over the place) is amazing and far more amazing than crappy religious man made tales about angels and lights

When we die it takes a long time for things to stop, we gradually decay and tons of things are happening in our bodies (unless cremated) for ages afterwards - chemical processes and the transfer of our atoms into new things like bacteria. We are a system in flux and only our ego is who we think we are.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You Fking crease me Marsh seriously. I wish I was as quick sometimes.