[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because we are empowering them to do so by our impotency, our weakness, and our totally insane P.C. driven archaic sense of 'fair play' and decency.

We need leaders with testicles, who will sanction our troops, our security services, our police, to do whatever is necessary to eradicate these mental, murdering demons. We need leaders who will put our interests first, our freedoms first, and our safety first, and if the actions necessary to achieve this is seen by some to be racist, xenophobic or against 'civil liberties' then feck them, let them think what they want.

[arista]

[Northern Monkey]

If anyone needs torturing,These fucckers do.They need to be captured,Tortured and imprisoned with some neo-Nazi skin heads for life.Or if caught in the act,Shot on sight.No protection,No Halal meals in prison and a clear message sent that the same will happen to any terrorist who commits any act of terrorism on western soil.Non of this "lets talk" nonsense.We can't just lay there while they f'ck us up the a'rse dry.We need to fight back until these c'nts realise that they can't win.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And lets just see if the wonderful world of religion is at the bottom of this...

its NOT all religions, its just islam , radical perverted twisted version of it.
you dont see jews christians or any other religions performing this mass terrorism across the world

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

its NOT all religions, its just islam , radical perverted twisted version of it.
you dont see jews christians or any other religions performing this mass terrorism across the world

Not in this century no...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not in this century no...

Come on LT - before you start blaming this shit weather on the rain dances done by 15th century Mojave Indians.

There is only one religion at the heart of this terrorism and you know it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

If anyone needs torturing,These fucckers do.They need to be captured,Tortured and imprisoned with some neo-Nazi skin heads for life.Or if caught in the act,Shot on sight.No protection,No Halal meals in prison and a clear message sent that the same will happen to any terrorist who commits any act of terrorism on western soil.Non of this "lets talk" nonsense.We can't just lay there while they f'ck us up the a'rse dry.We need to fight back until these c'nts realise that they can't win.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not in this century no...

this problem is 100% an islamic problem an we must stop shooting ourselves in the foot and blaming other religions. the time has come to END political correctness in its entirety and bring back freedom of speech. I would also criminalise those who falsely accuse people of racism. it is these snide pc people who attempt to bring down others with their false accusations of bigotry who are doing enormous damage and making the pathway clearer for radicals to take over the country and europe. a line must now be drawn in the sand. dont forget we have an estimated 1 million illegal immigrants in the UK. yet it seems its illegal to even mention their illegality. we are a basket case of a country and we need to stand up for who we are what we are, what we believe in, our values, our laws, our civil liberties. This is a war within and we are not even allowed to speak.

[LeatherTrumpet]

They were shouting "snackbar" as they shot them

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

this problem is 100% an islamic problem an we must stop shooting ourselves in the foot and blaming other religions. the time has come to END political correctness in its entirety and bring back freedom of speech. I would also criminalise those who falsely accuse people of racism. it is these snide pc people who attempt to bring down others with their false accusations of bigotry who are doing enormous damage and making the pathway clearer for radicals to take over the country and europe. a line must now be drawn in the sand. dont forget we have an estimated 1 million illegal immigrants in the UK. yet it seems its illegal to even mention their illegality. we are a basket case of a country and we need to stand up for who we are what we are, what we believe in, our values, our laws, our civil liberties. This is a war within and we are not even allowed to speak.

Personally I would shut all mosques until this thing stops

[arista]

The only person not calling it Islamic
is the Lame Duck USA President


Its a Fact that those 3,
that got away with it,
are Islamic Terrorists

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Come on LT - before you start blaming this shit weather on the rain dances done by 15th century Mojave Indians.

There is only one religion at the heart of this terrorism and you know it.

100% true. lets see if the PC liberals at the BBC ever grow a backsone strong enough to state this incontrovertable truth.
have we seen jews doing this ? no. Christians? no. This is wholly a problem within the islamic community. we have laid back and allowed it to happen. though blairs heavy handed wars made everything worse. he simply didnt get his facts straight before the iraq invasion and its been a disaster ever since. however going further back, oil is at the heart of the original wars. though at this point thats irrelevant to the horrors of these attacks. There is nothing on earth or in the heavens that can justify this barbarity. its a simple choice, do we stand up for free speech or do we allow a bunch of bullying murderous barbarians to kill us until we are all too scared to say or do anything?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Personally I would shut all mosques until this thing stops

Yes thats a fine idea. Wed need the army to patrol the streets mind. sadly its gone so far now as weve sleepwalked into this nightmare that their rights now supercede ours.

[Northern Monkey]

The Christians did this a thousand years ago.The problem is that (radical)Islam has'nt moved on.They are a thousand years behind other religions.As Nedusa said,They believe it is their turn to wage a crusade on the west.(radical) Islam is primitive.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.



Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8d_1...grMvLqIXd4k.99

[JoshBB]

****ing idiots. What amazes me is how people manage to get through borders with weapons.. you would think it would be checked. How awful.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.



Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8d_1...grMvLqIXd4k.99

Well,Maybe those Muslims should move to one of those lovely Islamic countries where free speech is forbiden and they won't get offended.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Personally I would shut all mosques until this thing stops

How on earth would that help?? Most muslims are completely rational and many have adapted to western society, shutting down their mosques would completely disregard their religious rights.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by JollyBB

How on earth would that help?? Most muslims are completely rational and many have adapted to western society, shutting down their mosques would completely disregard their religious rights.

It would give them time to reflect how their religion has spawned so much hate and violence in the world and maybe make them realise that there is no god

[arista]

Originally Posted by JollyBB

How on earth would that help?? Most muslims are completely rational and many have adapted to western society, shutting down their mosques would completely disregard their religious rights.

Yes its just the few that are Evil
Jihads

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes its just the few that are Evil
Jihads

http://rt.com/news/183048-isis-grow-expand-jihadist/


ISIS has 100,000 fighters, growing fast

35,000 Taliban

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappin...roups/view/367

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Because we are empowering them to do so by our impotency, our weakness, and our totally insane P.C. driven archaic sense of 'fair play' and decency.

We need leaders with testicles, who will sanction our troops, our security services, our police, to do whatever is necessary to eradicate these mental, murdering demons. We need leaders who will put our interests first, our freedoms first, and our safety first, and if the actions necessary to achieve this is seen by some to be racist, xenophobic or against 'civil liberties' then feck them, let them think what they want.

There is no short fix to this. To fight them on an equal footing, we would need to waive away our rights to freedom and free speech and become as bad as them. It is for these reasons that I agree with the west's response to their atrocities. This is going to take several generations to resolve so we need to get used to it I'm sorry to say.

[Nedusa]

We have created a terrible mess now with our meddling in Middle East countries, by sticking our noses in trying to bring democracy we have achieved only in creating more hatred against us and added to that we have sold/supplied/given unlimited number of arms to various terrorist groups who now turn these weapons back on us.

Using fear and terror tactics these groups now have recruited every disgruntled religious numpty to carry on the fight in the West.

Yet no one from the Muslim community gives a sh it , they put out standard communiques barely condemning these atrocities, sometimes even trying to justify these murderous acts.

Yet the west still makes excuses for these communities saying they stand shoulder to shoulder with them in the fight.

But these Muslim communities do nothing in real terms to try and de-radicalise Islam through education and teaching in Mosques, usually quite the reverse happens.

Non Muslim countries need to demand much more cooperation from Muslim communities who live in secular Christian democracies, full cultural integration and real efforts to root out Islamic extremism. Not just lip service after the latest atrocity.






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[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

We have created a terrible mess now with our meddling in Middle East countries, by sticking our noses in trying to bring democracy we have achieved only in creating more hatred against us and added to that we have sold/supplied/given unlimited number of arms to various terrorist groups who now turn these weapons back on us.

Using fear and terror tactics these groups now have recruited every disgruntled religious numpty to carry on the fight in the West.

Yet no one from the Muslim community gives a sh it , they put out standard communiques barely condemning these atrocities, sometimes even trying to justify these murderous acts.

Yet the west still makes excuses for these communities saying they stand shoulder to shoulder with them in the fight.

But these Muslim communities do nothing in real terms to try and de-radicalise Islam through education and teaching in Mosques, usually quite the reverse happens.

Non Muslim countries need to demand much more cooperation from Muslim communities who live in secular Christian democracies, full cultural integration and real efforts to root out Islamic extremism. Not just lip service after the latest atrocity.
.

Completely agree, but what you outline is no short term strategy, we need to accept that this is going to be a long drawn out process to resolve.

[Sticks]

Many Muslims hold their sacred holy prophet in high regard, it is also part of Islam to serve in holy Jihad

These so called cartoonists by insulting him sowed a whirlwind, which was reaped today, in short they brought it on themselves. Something like this happened once in Denmark, they should have learned from that. This is what can happen when you disrespect people's sacred beliefs.

Time for the media to show respect and restraint, as for the old chestnut about Freedom of speech, it has limits, to quote "Freedom of speech does not allow one to falsely yell fire in a crowded theatre"