[Anaesthesia]

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Voltaire.

Let's discuss?

[the truth]

there is only freedom of speech if youre taunting white christian men.
any other sector of society is over protected. fact.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

there is only freedom of speech if youre taunting white christian men.
any other sector of society is over protected. fact.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

hide behind your hands its true. can you use white trash about black people? can you represent mohammad the way Jesus was in the jerry springer musical? can you generalize about women the wya we do men? can you have men only shortlists? can you create the life of brian about islam? can you laugh about murders of women the way chat shows do about women killing men? the list goes on into the infinity?

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

there is only freedom of speech if youre taunting white christian men.
any other sector of society is over protected. fact.

measurable proof? "only" is pretty specific.

I am genuinely interested as to whether people feel they have the right to express themselves.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

measurable proof? "only" is pretty specific.

pedant word play missing the truth at the heart of what Ive said. we only have freedom of speech when dealing with white Christian men....these spineless media outlets havent even dared post these cartoons. T

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

pedant word play missing the truth at the heart of what Ive said. we only have freedom of speech when dealing with white Christian men....these spineless media outlets havent even dared post these cartoons. T

It's not pedant word play, and again you use the word !only!

I don't believe there is an "only", i believe speech restriction covers more than your one example. If you want to talk about the cartoons, it would be a different thread. This was for thinking on a concept.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

It's not pedant word play, and again you use the word !only!

I don't believe there is an "only", i believe speech restriction covers more than your one example.

you ignored my other question because you dont have an answer

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

there is only freedom of speech if youre taunting white christian men.
any other sector of society is over protected. fact.

Oh my god you really have to pretend white christian men are oppressed, don't you...

[armand.kay]

I agree with it completely even there is a lot of bad that comes with it I believe people should be aloud to express their views (no matter how much I may disagree with them) without fear of being prosecuted.

[Ninastar]

I believe 100% in the right to say what you like. I don't agree with what most people my age think, but I like the fact that we are free to believe whatever we like.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I believe 100% in the right to say what you like. I don't agree with what most people my age think, but I like the fact that we are free to believe whatever we like.

sounds lovely in theory but where do we draw the line?

but you arent allowed to sya what you like are you ? its freedom of speech within the law...you cant point at a disabled person and should cripple..you cnat go to the theatre and shout fire fire.....you cannot deny the holocaust....so where do we really draw the line? andry gray lost his career and home for making a joke about a female lineswoman? is that freedom of speech...yet sharon osbourne did a show about female murderers told them they were right to do what they did and laughed along about a man whod had his penis cut off and bled to death....double standards everywhere

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

sounds lovely in theory but where do we draw the line?

but you arent allowed to sya what you like are you ? its freedom of speech within the law...you cant point at a disabled person and should cripple..you cnat go to the theatre and shout fire fire.....you cannot deny the holocaust....so where do we really draw the line? andry gray lost his career and home for making a joke about a female lineswoman? is that freedom of speech...yet sharon osbourne did a show about female murderers told them they were right to do what they did and laughed along about a man whod had his penis cut off and bled to death....double standards everywhere

so where do YOU think the line should be drawn, if at all, and why? This is about opinions, not who's judging and by what criteria.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

so where do YOU think the line should be drawn, if at all, and why? This is about opinions, not who's judging and by what criteria.

bottom line is the the line should be drawn equally across the board for everyone all religions and sexes all sexualities all disabled all cultures etc at the moment there are different rules for different groups of people. its a sorry mess

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

bottom line is the the line should be drawn equally across the board for everyone all religions and sexes all sexualities all disabled all cultures etc at the moment there are different rules for different groups of people. its a sorry mess

OK, we're on the same page. Who dictates that inequality? Is it the media, the government? Who really controls what we can or can't say?

[Ninastar]

i believe you should be able to say anything you want, unless it's a threat

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

i believe you should be able to say anything you want, unless it's a threat

So do I... yet we can't, not even here on TIBB...everything in this world is moderated...it kinda frightens me.

Of course, it is very current culture based, what you can / can't say, but is it a case that there's always been speech censorship, just the parameters change?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

i believe you should be able to say anything you want, unless it's a threat

so would you have sacked andy gray for his lineswoman joke?

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

so would you have sacked andy gray for his lineswoman joke?

I know you aren't asking me, but no :P

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by the truth

so would you have sacked andy gray for his lineswoman joke?

no

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

no

thank you for answering a direct question with a direct answer. Im glad you say no , as it applies your theory with your practice which is a rarer thing in society than it should be

[lostalex]

I think you should be allowed to say anything you like as long as you truly believe it to be true.

But you shouldn't be allowed to say things that you know are false just to hurt other people. Like accusing someone of pedophillia knowing full well they never molested you, but you say it just to destroy their life. Or knowing full well there is no fire in a theater, but you scream fire! in a crowded theater just to watch the chaos.

It's fine to scream fire in a crowded theater if you really do think there is a fire though.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think you should be allowed to say anything you like as long as you truly believe it to be true.

But you shouldn't be allowed to say things that you know are false just to hurt other people. Like accusing someone of pedophillia knowing full well they never molested you, but you say it just to destroy their life. Or knowing full well there is no fire in a theater, but you scream fire! in a crowded theater just to watch the chaos.

It's fine to scream fire in a crowded theater if you really do think there is a fire though.

good logic. but what if theres a fire and you dont scream it?

[Ammi]

..I'm not sure that Voltaire had much experience of the internet, media, social media etc though....there should be no freedom of consequence of bullying, abuse, racism, prejudice etc...

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not sure that Voltaire had much experience of the internet, media, social media etc though....there should be no freedom of consequence of bullying, abuse, racism, prejudice etc...

Agreed. And there ARE consequences, which is as it should be.

Even in Voltaire's day where seditious beliefs were mostly committed to pamphlet or cartoon, you ran the risk of execution for lampooning the Royals...funny to see how priorities shift, the Royals are absolute fair game nowadays

And interesting to see that cartoonists still run the risk of fatal repercussion.