[arista]

Reported today
the Greens now have more members than UKIP and LibDems

Why will Ed Mililband not say we can have the greens in a Debate
instead of chicken?


I do no support the Greens
but I do not like them being Bullied away




I am Sick to Death of the BBC saying Ofcom


Ofcom have spent a year setting up all these TV Debates
but Every one Makes Mistakes
They got it wrong.


They are now saying the ITV debate should have the Greens


Its so simple Ed and Nick just say bring the Greens in
if the take Labour or LibDem voters - so be it
thats life

[Northern Monkey]

They should be there in all fairness.Yes they could take Labour votes just as UKIP will take Tory votes but it's only fair the Greens are in if UKIP are.

[Lee.]

And not forgetting the SNP who are now the UK's third biggest party..

[arista]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

They should be there in all fairness.Yes they could take Labour votes just as UKIP will take Tory votes but it's only fair the Greens are in if UKIP are.

Yes but Ed is saying nothing about the Greens?
it is like they are invisible


Its So Simple Ed and Nick go on TV
and say we want the Greens as well.



Ofcom - Made a Error
they are not a God

[arista]

And No SNP
as the BBC is doing regionals

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

And not forgetting the SNP who are now the UK's third biggest party..

Not a problem the are under BBC Regional are doing them

[Nedusa]

Actually the fact the Greens were overlooked in this proposed debate suits Mr Cameron as he can now use this situation to refuse a live TV debate until they are included.

He knows a live TV debate with Mr Miliband will not help his cause as the NHS will be the main debating topic and he knows his record on this means he would lose.

Senior Tories have calculated that having this type of live TV debate cannot help Mr Cameron's chances of re-election only reduce them.

So the best tactic for Mr Cameron is to be seen willing to have a debate whilst finding ways to avoid actually having a debate.

So this issue with the Greens is a good avoiding tactic.






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[arista]

Some say that


But the Point is the PM is right
get the Greens on the TV debate

Ofcom got it wrong
Fact

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Actually the fact the Greens were overlooked in this proposed debate suits Mr Cameron as he can now use this situation to refuse a live TV debate until they are included.

He knows a live TV debate with Mr Miliband will not help his cause as the NHS will be the main debating topic and he knows his record on this means he would lose.

Senior Tories have calculated that having this type of live TV debate cannot help Mr Cameron's chances of re-election only reduce them.

So the best tactic for Mr Cameron is to be seen willing to have a debate whilst finding ways to avoid actually having a debate.

So this issue with the Greens is a good avoiding tactic.






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I think this is true.As Arista said.Ed and Clegg need to also insist on the Greens being there just to get Cameron to do it.Ed is scared of the Greens though so he won't.

[arista]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I think this is true.As Arista said.Ed and Clegg need to also insist on the Greens being there just to get Cameron to do it.Ed is scared of the Greens though so he won't.

well this must be a Headline
everyplace On Ch4News/ITVNews /SkyNews/BBCnews/LooseWomen etc

[Kizzy]

The only ones to be scared of are UKIP, the conservatives have plotted their meteoric rise to appease both centre and far right conservatives.
Of course green and SNP should be involved if they have a majority already serving, get them all up there and let the UK fairly decide who gets their votes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The only ones to be scared of are UKIP, the conservatives have plotted their meteoric rise to appease both centre and far right conservatives.
Of course green and SNP should be involved if they have a majority already serving, get them all up there and let the UK fairly decide who gets their votes.

No Kizzy

BBC Regional has set up that one

So they have their turn

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Reported today
the Greens now have more members than UKIP and LibDems

Why will Ed Mililband not say we can have the greens in a Debate
instead of chicken?


I do no support the Greens
but I do not like them being Bullied away




I am Sick to Death of the BBC saying Ofcom


Ofcom have spent a year setting up all these TV Debates
but Every one Makes Mistakes
They got it wrong.


They are now saying the ITV debate should have the Greens


Its so simple Ed and Nick just say bring the Greens in
if the take Labour or LibDem voters - so be it
thats life

Why should Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg be saying anything, Ed Miliband has said very clearly,even in pmq's on wednesday, that he is happy to debate with whoever the organisers invite to take part.

He has 'never' said the Greens should not be there and again I say he has said he will debate with all leaders invited to be there.

the only person being chicken like by in fact threatening 'not' to be there and making 'new' conditions as to taking part is the current PM David Cameron.

The Greens should be there but if they weren't or even if UKIP weren't the current PM should certainly be regardless.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why should Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg be saying anything, Ed Miliband has said very clearly,even in pmq's on wednesday, that he is happy to debate with whoever the organisers invite to take part.

He has 'never' said the Greens should not be there and again I say he has said he will debate with all leaders invited to be there.

the only person being chicken like by in fact threatening 'not' to be there and making 'new' conditions as to taking part is the current PM David Cameron.

The Greens should be there but if they weren't or even if UKIP weren't the current PM should certainly be regardless.

But by naming the Greens
would Speed up the Deals for ITV


The PM is Right
Ofcom got it out of date Wrong
Fact

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But by naming the Greens
would Speed up the Deals for ITV


The PM is Right
Ofcom got it out of date Wrong
Fact

The PM wasn't that interested to say that the Greens should be there before the decisions were made.
Now he knows for sure UKIP are, he is willing to take any step to avoid being in the debates,using the Greens as an excuse.

I think the Greens leader should be there, so do Ed Miliband,Nick Clegg and Nigel Farge too.
However all are willing to take part no matter the final set up, something only the PM takes issue with.

Quite frankly, I think were the organisers and decision makers to change their minds and allow the Greens to be there, David Cameron would then be in a panic.
His plan having backfired.

I agreed at the start that David Cameron was right to say the Greens should be included.
He is far from right however to threaten not to take part himself if they were not part of the debates.

Thankfully, the voters and public at large will I believe well and truly see through his further procrastination of this major issue.

The politicians should not be making the decisions as to who should be there, that is for the channels and organisors.
However as David Cameron regularly pointed out to Gordon Brown in 2010, it is his duty to be in the debates,regardless of who is included.

[arista]

Would it hurt Ed to "name" the Greens
saying they should be on it?

[JoshBB]

The thing I will say though is that the SNP are not UK-wide which is why I do not feel they should be included.

Greens are the third largest UK-wide political party based on party membership and considering there are four places on the ITV debates greens should be given one. I mean, in Sweden they do 7-9 leaders in the debates..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Would it hurt Ed to "name" the Greens
saying they should be on it?

He has never even once said they shouldn't,ever at any time,the debates are not about him,they are the product of the organisors.
Like the other leaders who have been invited,he only needs to say like them,yes he will do them or no he declines the invitation.
He has accepted the invite to do the debates,there is no reason for him to say anymore as to the subject whatsoever.

However he has added that he will do the debates with no matter how many or how few other leaders are included.

The questions should all be to David Cameron as to why he really is trying to throw a spanner in the works as to these debates by hiding behind,in my view a con trick of a sudden insincere passion for the Greens to be included.
He is the only one saying he won't do them, no one else.

I say again, I think the Green party leader should be there but that is for the organisors and the channels to decide not the politicians.

[arista]

Joey he must say the
Green Party should be in it.
If Ed does not
the Massive support for the Greens
will go up.


Its a Stink Joey
stop being silly


"However he has added that he will do the debates with no matter how many or how few other leaders are included."

Of Course he would
we do not even know he can be a Leader
his advisers tell him what to do.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The thing I will say though is that the SNP are not UK-wide which is why I do not feel they should be included.

Greens are the third largest UK-wide political party based on party membership and considering there are four places on the ITV debates greens should be given one. I mean, in Sweden they do 7-9 leaders in the debates..

Yes Ofcom
stale fecking dead cheese
made a mega error.

The PM is Bang On Right
its true Democracy
to watch the Greens take Millions
of Labour voters who do not like Ed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey he must say the
Green Party should be in it.
If Ed does not
the Massive support for the Greens
will go up.


Its a Stink Joey
stop being silly


"However he has added that he will do the debates with no matter how many or how few other leaders are included."

Of Course he would
we do not even know he can be a Leader
his advisers tell him what to do.

...and do you not think that Conservative advisors to David Cameron are advising him to try to get out of the debates.
They are well aware that under the scrutiny of the debates, the failure of David Cameron will become more pronounced.

Ed Miliband is not the only leader with advisors arista, they all have them no matter the party the lead.
However, why just single out Ed, he has said he will do the debates, he will debate with whoever the organisors and channels include in them.
he has never said no one shouldn't be part of the debates, he leaves that decision to the organisors.

He has accepted the invite to do them and he should not, just as David Cameron nor any other leader should not, try to influence how the debates are set up.

David Cameron was the cheerleader for the 2010 debates, he believed they would help him romp home in the election.
However they didn't and now he is setting out to try to impose his conditions for taking part,so scared of them is he.

Had the Greens been already included, he would then be likely saying he will not take part as he doesn't think the debates should all take place during the election campaign.
Something he wasn't bothered about last time either.

There is only one leader wriggling on this,not Ed Miliband, not UKIPs leader, not the Greens leader and not even Nick Clegg.

Only David Cameron is the one wriggling as to these debates, the other leaders have acted with professionalism and a willingness to accept the debates as they are set up,no matter who is included.
Only one is not, David Cameron.

Maybe voters, (rather than deflecting to Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage or the Green leader for no justifiable reasons in my view),should, all be looking at this incompetent PM wriggling any way he can, using anyone and anything he can too,to avoid taking part in these debates that only he of all the party leaders is so scared of.

[arista]

"not Ed Miliband,"


Yes Joey - Let it go.



The Greens will be on the ITV1HD debate
with the 3 leaders and Farage
Utter Fecking Bliss

SNP get their own regional one.



Democracy

[arista]

Every Day another Labour Voter Joins the Greens


Josh this is Utter Blish

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

"not Ed Miliband,"


Yes Joey - Let it go.



The Greens will be on the ITV1HD debate
with the 3 leaders and Farage
Utter Fecking Bliss

SNP get their own regional one.



Democracy

Yay!! Democracy prevails

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Every Day another Labour Voter Joins the Greens


Josh this is Utter Blish

Brilliant. Ed can take this as punishment for refusing to listen to reason.