[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its a hard call isn't it.....new labour were ok for 3 years then frankly evil for the rest.
The gap between rich and poor actually grew to its biggest for 200 years under labour, this I WILL NEVER FORGIVE OR NEVER FORGET. The tories are heartless bastards....so what a choice eh? fake do gooders pretend socialists who create quangos bent councils cover ups back handers and trillion pound debt...or the filthy rich party who look after the elite and maybe the rest of the country will survive on the taxes of this eilte.
liberal under clegg are a disgrace.......the plaed cymru are a bunch of petty narrow minded reactionary nationalists....ukip haven't got a manifesto? who else is there?

the greens

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

the greens

desperate times call for desperate measures...but from what ive heard theyre also full of pretend do gooders....do they have a manifesto? where would the jobs come from? are they demanding electric cars or solar panelled everything and flowers in our hair? I just cant imagine anymore lilly livered liberals running the country into bankruptcy again and covering up each others utter failures...one project im 100% behind is the severn barrage....whose likely to get that going?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

desperate times call for desperate measures...but from what ive heard theyre also full of pretend do gooders....do they have a manifesto? where would the jobs come from? are they demanding electric cars or solar panelled everything and flowers in our hair? I just cant imagine anymore lilly livered liberals running the country into bankruptcy again and covering up each others utter failures...one project im 100% behind is the severn barrage....whose likely to get that going?

What do you have against solar panels and electric cars?
Would they not generate jobs?

[letmein]

Miliband will always be a liability.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What do you have against solar panels and electric cars?
Would they not generate jobs?

nothing but the bent politicians have allowed the corporations to buy up and shelve all of the technology.....making this all hopelessly unaffordable....unless you want to cough up £150,000 for a car that goes 200 miles maximum

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

nothing but the bent politicians have allowed the corporations to buy up and shelve all of the technology.....making this all hopelessly unaffordable....unless you want to cough up £150,000 for a car that goes 200 miles maximum

Hopelessly unaffordable? like gas and electricity then?

Clean air bill taking everyones back boilers away, wood burning stoves and coal fires leaving them reliant on 'bountiful' 'cheap' north sea gas?


Here is a link to memories of Leeds wonderful electric trams, they don't want you to make your own electricity with solar panels and charging stations... they want you to be shackled to the oil barrel.

http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main...8#.VOpG4PmsUjw

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by letmein

Miliband will always be a liability.

All intellectuals are a liability, you would be better off with a shyster with a good PR man..

[joeysteele]

Well if Ed Miliband is a liability to Labour,(although I myself cannot see why),then surely David Cameron is too for the Conservatives.

I do believe myself,with a different leader to David Cameron the Conservatives likely would have got an overall majority in 2010.
After being PM for 5 years almost, he still hasn't got the Conservatives even to the % of votes they got in 2010,he looks nowhere like winning an overall majority again in May 2015 and looks even more likely to do far worse than 2010.

The electorate don't seem to care for him at all either and he has been PM for near 5 years, then again, they know he lied to them when he said no top down re-organisation fo the NHS, and the NHS and investigative groups are now saying that re-organisation is in part to blame for the problems now in the NHS.

The way I see it is all 3 main party leaders are not really liked by the voters, even the one who has been the serving PM for near 5 years.
Nothing to choose between the 3 then really.
I think in fact all 3 of them are liabilities ot their parties which is why I think ni the end it will be policies that decide the election on I hope a party basis and for those who want this lot out, the only effective way to bring that about is to vote labour.
(Just as if people really don't want a Labour led govt; and like what this one has done, then the only way to ensure Labour doesn't win is to vote Conservative).

A vote anywhere else really,from those who want this govt; gone, will only make the task of removing this govt; a lot harder and could even allow them in again, even this time with a small overall majority too.

I fear and almost feel sure too, that as with 2010,the good news that was evident before that election will after the election in May suddenly become watered down again by David Cameron and George Osborne.
Then once more, more alterations to better targets taking place again, this time again downwards as in 2010 and most years since until mid 2014.
That's the danger for me.

[the truth]

NO ONE will touch Cameron he will win easily, only ukip will steal a few percent off them
bottom line is new labour were the worst government in british history and not only have we not forgotten we havent forgiven and labour haven't learned a damn thing, the economy and the nhs is safer in tory hands

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

NO ONE will touch Cameron he will win easily, only ukip will steal a few percent off them
bottom line is new labour were the worst government in british history and not only have we not forgotten we havent forgiven and labour haven't learned a damn thing, the economy and the nhs is safer in tory hands

Yeah.... :/

'Since the Coalition came to power the NHS has lost around 10,000 hospital beds in England. That's a loss of more than 5 beds per day since five years ago.'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/...spital-5188945

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

NO ONE will touch Cameron he will win easily, only ukip will steal a few percent off them
bottom line is new labour were the worst government in british history and not only have we not forgotten we havent forgiven and labour haven't learned a damn thing, the economy and the nhs is safer in tory hands

I don't agree at all, all govts; get things wrong and the main thing that was wrong with the Blair years was the selling off of gold reserves and the fact that Tony Blair operated in the main a milder form of Conservative govt;
For me,had I been Labour supporter in 1997, (I was only 5 at the time),I would have felt he squandered massively the chance,with massive overall majorities, to really reward and protect those who had stuck with Labour all through the bad times.

However, on many things it was a good period of govt;the NHS was invested in again, more Nurses and Doctors and it was brought back from the crippled state it was left in by the 18 year run of Conservative govt; to 1997.
No matter the problems in the NHS and the mistakes made still in it, that is a fact.
Which it again needs done after only 5 years of this govt.

The winter fuel allowance for pensioners was a great move, as was pension credit taking place from being aged 60 onwards and also the cold weather payments, only around £8 to £9 for 7days continuously freezing weather under the Conservatives but increased to £25 under Labour.
Bringing in the minimum wage, against all odds and warnings of mass unemployment if they did.
However, they should have set it up that it rose more than it has.

Until the banking crisis and then the worldwide global crisis and subsequent recession, there had been 10 years of continuous growth in the UK.
Yes, the banks should have been regulated stronger but no one could have foreseen that crisis coming,no one did really across the financial world, and in fact David Cameron and the then Conservative opposition,actually wanted less regulation of the Banking industry not more.

Contrast just those few things with this heartless bunch of cowards who can only hit the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable with some of the most cruellest testing for benefits and general policies ever applied to people sick and disabled.
Not to mention at length the obscene bedroom tax/charge.

With also the mess of their first 3 and a half years where they eroded the growth and recovery in place when they took over after coming out of the recession in May 2010, and had in the UK for that 3 and half years at best with tiny growth or no growth at all.
Contrast that with their in part unjust austerity measures that have hit severely public services and hit the most vulnerable citizens worst of all.
Measures that they said would clear the deficit by 2015, yet which have only barely halved it, even after a manipulation of how the deficit is measured now.

Contrast that with this Chancellor,never known before, having to downgrade every target he set himself at every budget and autumn statement for over 3 years in a row,almost being a laughing stock as to his judgement of the economy.
I will leave the NHS aside in the main for judgement, as there are problems all over the UK with the NHS,however the top down re-organisation was unnecessary and wrong as no voter got the chance to or did vote for same.
David Cameron barefaced lied to the voters as to that re-organisation.

I know which govt; I think is the worst ever and it for sure is not Labour,it is this heartless shower in now.

I will never believe, and it seems neither will the voters believe overall, that the NHS is safe in Conservative hands,also I am not fooled by all this great news appearing around 6 months before an election either.
My guess is, were the Conservatives to win in May,we would soon hear of a fallback again and more downgrading of targets.

I was a Conservative supporter, I have never however felt I could trust them with the NHS,which was why I voted Lib Dem in 2010.
Now, I don't believe a word David Cameron says and I will never even trust Nick Clegg's Lib Dems again for his tuition fees turnaround and disgraceful betrayal of trust to those who did trust him and supported him.

For me, those 2 leaders are massively tarnished and so for me the new boy gets a chance, namely Ed Miliband, who at least accepts Labour under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown,got a lot wrong when in power and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he will learn from all that too.

A lady a couple of years ago, who is around 80 now,does not like Labour,has only once or twice before voted labour,told me,she felt this was the most cruel,awful govt; she had lived under.
She asked me how long had it to go in power,I said till May 2015, all she wants is it gone.

I really believe,along with her, enough will, in the voting booths at that last minute, decide to get this govt; out.
More of the same austerity and bashing of the weakest from this govt; would be a disaster in my view, and I hope to all powers that be that this procratinating and near hopeless PM is gone in May, and his band of heartless cowards with him too.