[LeatherTrumpet]

Misunderstood, hated on for no reason or thieving scumbags

how do you feel and do you know any?

[Firewire]

don't know any so can't judge

[Jake.]

A previous shift manager of mine was one... Still friends with her now. One of the kindest people I've ever had the pleasure to meet

[arista]

They should clear up their Rubbish
making sure its in one small section - to be taken away

[LeatherTrumpet]

Youtube video

[the truth]

the vast majority are awful people allowed to break the law at will who rob steal, avoid tax, destroy the environment, allow their ponies to run amock , to abuse beat people up and generally ruin parts of the town

[Livia]

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.

[Marsh.]

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

[DemolitionRed]

I was once driving back from my own horses and saw this piebald stallion running down a main road. I had the right gear with me and so I headed after him and managed to catch him. I took him along to the nearest farm and popped him in an empty stable. He’d attracted a real crowd and someone told me the horse belonged to this very notorious gypsy who lived in a very large house further up the road. I drove up to the house and was met at the door by a very intimidating looking skin head withe a thick Irish accent. It was his horse so I offered him a lift down to the farm. When we arrived there were two police cars and a very irate looking farmer’s wife. Up until then the gypsy/tinker had been really nice but I saw the other side of him when the police confronted him; he had no regard for them at all and it was obvious that the police were very intimidated by him.

The police then said they needed to question me about the saddle in the back of my car. Apparently this guy was known for breaking into tack rooms and stealing saddles. Fortunately I had a load of witnesses who explained my involvement.

I’ll always remember the gypsy guys words to me as he left. He told me if I ever needed someone sorting out to come to him because he owed me a favour! I never did take him up on that offer but I have to admit, I was tempted a few times!!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.

Yes they are the Good ones
Respect to them

[DemolitionRed]

Tinkers have a bad rep for crime and fly tipping. Gypsies have a reputation for having spotless homes and working for a living.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

[Josy]

I do know some yes, there is a family near me that have been here for years, they stayed here when the rest of the travellers moved on, they keep the land they live on spotless, they have horse drawn carts that we see going up and down the road to the shops etc, they have horses in the ground next to them and in the summer they allow the kids to pet/feed them, they are lovely people.

Just like with most things I don't think you can band them all into one category and say 'oh they are all criminals' etc, that's deeply insulting IMO.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

[Iceman]

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

so you are basing your view on one person?

[LeatherTrumpet]

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz3S82P29DD

[DemolitionRed]

I like the French attitude towards nationalized gypsies, at least around the French Alps. They have zero tolerance for crime and unlike British police, are not intimidated by them but they also have a huge amount of respect for them and so do the French people. They encourage them to use their old passed down craft skills like basket weaving and give them a free pitch to sell their wares. They don't see a problem with them living off the grid providing they are law abiding.

There are loads of gypsies living around Briancon and I've never heard of any trouble.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I like the French attitude towards nationalized gypsies, at least around the French Alps. They have zero tolerance for crime and unlike British police, are not intimidated by them but they also have a huge amount of respect for them and so do the French people. They encourage them to use their old passed down craft skills like basket weaving and give them a free pitch to sell their wares. They don't see a problem with them living off the grid providing they are law abiding.

There are loads of gypsies living around Briancon and I've never heard of any trouble.

yes perhaps the solution is to catch the crims

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so you are basing your view on one person?

I did an 8,000 word thesis on the travelling community. It's based on many accounts from the community. I did however do some primary research which was that interview I mentioned above.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Iceman

I did an 8,000 word thesis on the travelling community. It's based on many accounts from the community. I did however do some primary research which was that interview I mentioned above.

I understand, thank you

[Nedusa]

There're not a problem as long as they are nowhere near you or your town/village , if they are then they are an absolute fcuking nightmare.

[waterhog]

very good topic to the OP. a tricky one again ? but like all people - you have good and bad and after seeing my paddy on my big fat gypsy wedding - well i am biased as i love them and have respect for them.

not sure if i did propose to paddy but if i never i will now and i will sell the rights to ch4 for a follow up of our wedding ok paddy ? speak now or for ever hold your silence.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

It's an example.

There are stereotypes and groups of people who get demonised based on generalisations.

You can't lump everyone together.