[arista]

I am sorry Joey
but Your Ed
has a go at the PM on this
then keeps his Secret

Hypocrisy


This Stinks

[Labour supporter and hedge fund manager Martin Taylor,
He runs a fund for Nevsky Capital in posh Mayfair, London.
The revelation is a major embarrassment for Mr Miliband, who has criticised the Conservatives for accepting cash from hedge funds.
Labour's initial refusal to confirm Mr Taylor's identity also raises questions about their commitment to be transparent about their financial backers.]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ity-donor.html


Labour the Pathetic Party trying to hide the truth

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

I am sorry Joey
but Your Ed
has a go at the PM on this
then keeps his Secret

Hypocrisy


This Stinks

[Labour supporter and hedge fund manager Martin Taylor,
He runs a fund for Nevsky Capital in posh Mayfair, London.
The revelation is a major embarrassment for Mr Miliband, who has criticised the Conservatives for accepting cash from hedge funds.
Labour's initial refusal to confirm Mr Taylor's identity also raises questions about their commitment to be transparent about their financial backers.]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ity-donor.html


Labour the Pathetic Party trying to hide the truth

I saw this on Sky News earlier,bloody hypocrite,but that's Ed for you.

[Kizzy]

'In a statement on Friday, Mr Taylor, of Nevsky Capital, insisted there was "no mystery" about his donations and said his family had always been Labour, including his father, who was a councillor in Lewisham.

He said: "This Martin Taylor is me. I am a born and bred Londoner, who also happens to be a hedge fund manager. And I am proud to support the Labour Party.

"This may seem a bit odd to many people. It is commonly believed that everyone in the financial sector supports the Conservative Party, in a quest to pay ever lower levels of tax ...

"I believe very strongly that everyone should contribute to society and those who are lucky enough to earn a lot more should contribute more than others.'

He sounds like a great bloke with a social conscience... I don't have a issue with his reasoning.
http://news.sky.com/story/1449681/la...dge-fund-donor

[joeysteele]

No need to apologise, I condemn all irregularities as to donations which happen with all parties.

Whether it be Ed Miliband on about donations to the Conswervatives or the Conservatives on about them as to Labour,while not revealing it goes on in their respective parties likely far more regularly than we hear about too.

Even now as to the Lib Dems as in your earlier thread today on that one.

There have been many dubious donations probably to the Conservative party too so I will say just what I have said all the time as to this occurence and what I also again said on youe earlier thread, the whole system,across the board, stinks and needs massively tightening up on,as to all parties, with and by all leaders and all MPs too.

Fortunately I nver read the Sun which you delight in quoting again, or take a great deal of notice as to what it ever says even when it reaches the so called news too.
Both leaders have questions on this, and both leaders always defend the donations, so one is in no way better than the other to me on this issue.
I jute think the whole system of donations stinks to high heaven anyway, for the lot of them.

I would say it is not not hypocrisy as you say but for both Ed Miliband and David Cameron as current party leaders as to this issue, it istotally unjustified selective criticism from them towards each other, as to these donations to 'both' their parties.

[smudgie]

I don't see a problem with the funding..just the absolute hypocrisy of Milliband.

He can't open his mouth without putting his foot In it lately, poor beggar.

[Kizzy]

The only criticism I have is that Ed left himself open to attack from the muck raking, dirty politics have swung public opinion before he needs to be on the Ball.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I saw this on Sky News earlier,bloody hypocrite,but that's Ed for you.

Yes Ed says its wrong for the PM to do this
Then does it himself?


Thats what Joey backs

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Ed says its wrong for the PM to do this
Then does it himself?


Thats what Joey backs

It's what I back too... Here's the rest of the quote from Martin Taylor, in principle what's the problem?

"This principle has become particularly important since the global financial crisis in 2008 threw Western economies into recession, reduced living standards and sparked a wave of cutbacks on government spending: cutbacks that have hit those with the least hardest."

He added that he also supported Labour's controversial mansion tax policy, which has recently drawn fire from the pop stars Cheryl Fernandez Versini and Myleene Klass.

A Labour Party spokesman said: "We are grateful to people from all walks of life who support the Labour Party and our better plan.

"Unlike David Cameron and the Conservatives who increasingly rely on the money of an exclusive group of donors - the same people who they have rewarded with tax breaks - Ed Miliband will enter Downing Street owing nothing to anybody."

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The only criticism I have is that Ed left himself open to attack from the muck raking, dirty politics have swung public opinion before he needs to be on the Ball.

Sadly the vast majority of voters I think find this distasteful and consider all the leaders and all the parites the same as to the issue in the main.

People are sick of the donations affair taking over the parties but they allow for the fact that no matter what the MPs and particularly the leaders say as to the issue, no one is better than the other as to it.

the fact this goes on with the Conservatives will not stop those supporting them to contunue to do so justa s it won't Labour either.

The whole system stinks and all parties use it and try to cover theri backs as to it too, each condemning the others, sadly that is the way of politics, until some firm regulation is put in place and before donations are made avialiable to the parties, and they are checked for all parties, with full transparency to the voters of from where, from who and where the doantions are going, by a totally independent regulation of same.

[arista]

"Fortunately I never read the Sun which you delight in quoting again,"


I got it from BBCNewsHD and SkyNewsHD,
this morning


The Sun Politics Section
is great.

[JoshBB]

David cameron would probably have criticised Ed too, if this had been discovered first. the main four are all liars and hypocrites. this is no surprise.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

David cameron would probably have criticised Ed too, if this had been discovered first. the main four are all liars and hypocrites. this is no surprise.

He has done JoshBB.


On this issue, none of them including the Lib Dems too are absolutely no better than the other.
David Cameron always justifies these things as not wrong,then gets at Labour for the same thing.
Just as Ed Mliband has done, however when Ed Miliband appears hypocritical or selective in his criticisms,it is the crime of the century.
When David Cameron does so, it is largely ignored and glossed over.

I just ignore these issues when they arise from whichever leader is trying to justify them at the time,we know it is likely wrong as voters,however few are ever taken to task about it and very little funding is ever ordered to be paid back too.

So for me again, until the system is cleaned right up and independently overseen with full transparency for the voters,this wil go on and on.
A political point scoring exercise from all leaders but nothing really in the way of any 'new' news.

[Kizzy]

Who's this then?... Let's do a random search of conservative donors and see who donates random large sums of money under random names, me first.

C0026373 Submit Conservative Party Political Party £1,065,966.52 16/09/2010 Central party Submit na David Rowland

https://pefonline.electoralcommissio...DonationSearch

[arista]

Kizzy no one cares

This is about Your Stinking Labour and his Hypocrisy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Kizzy no one cares

This is about Your Stinking Labour and his Hypocrisy

It isn't... it's about one donation it says nothing about his character.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Ed says its wrong for the PM to do this
Then does it himself?


Thats what Joey backs

arista,really, David Cameron has done this many times too, and he has had a good deal of dubious donations as well.

It is the system that is wrong and needs totally changing.
Since David Cameron has done exactly the same thing and also had dubious donations, are you not now backing David Cameron then.

I back Ed Miliband and Labour because of their policies,not because of cheap poltiical point scoring.
If the Conservatives were fully clean on this issue, fair enough but just about every voter knows they are in any way not.

I am one of just around presently a third of voters who are supporting Miliband's Labour,just as there are around a third of voters supporting Cameron's Conservatives.
I am not the only one backing them arista,however I am extremely content,have a clear conscience and happy to be doing so.

I could probably accept more of your crticisms of who I support if you were to condemn David Cameron and the Conservatives when they were wrong as to this issue.
As you do condemn any tiny thing as to Ed Miliband and Labour.
It frankly, sadly weakens your arguments when you fail to do so,in my opinion anyway.

All of them are wrong on this,I have said that continuously, all of them have criticised others when being beneficiaries themselves as to dubious donations.

That is why I, in the main, bypass and ignore these things such as dubious donating,as to all leaders and all the parties.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It isn't... it's about one donation it says nothing about his character.

Yes So far

More to come
dear

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It isn't... it's about one donation it says nothing about his character.

You are dead right.
It says nothing at all Kizzy, just as it says nothing as to Cameron's either on this issue,one cannot justly be condemned without condemning the other.
That is where the argument falls flat on its face.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes So far

More to come
dear

You keep that crystal ball handy dear, in the meantime have another look at that list.

Mr Beecrofts latest donation...
C0144328 Submit Conservative Party Political Party £43,000.00 23/12/2014 Central party Submit Mr Paul A Beecroft

'The Conservative Party has become reliant on bankers, hedge fund managers and private equity moguls for more than half its annual income, an independent analysis of Tory finances has revealed. Since David Cameron became Conservative leader in December 2005, the amount of money the City has given to bankroll the Tories has gone up fourfold, to £11.4m a year. Over those five years, the City has donated more than £42m to the party.

The research, conducted by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, highlights how reliant the party has become on the City at a time when David Cameron and George Osborne are under pressure to reform the financial sector.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...y-2208668.html


JCB Research is described as an obscure company worth £27,000 which donated £2m to the Conservative party making it the largest donor in the run up to the 2010 election. Ownership of the company which has never filed accounts is disputed by the Bamford brothers. According to the Guardian, much of the Bamford money was held in shares in offshore trusts.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JCB_%28...9#JCB_Research


JCB Research, Lakeside Works Company 682651
This company worth £27,000 has between 2010 and 2015 has donated £2,539,368.00...

[arista]

"David Cameron has done exactly the same thing "


Yes we all know that
nothing new

I back the PM


Not your loser Ed
who was found out today hiding this

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"David Cameron has done exactly the same thing "


Yes we all know that
nothing new

I back the PM


Not your loser Ed
who was found out today hiding this

Hiding... how can it be hiding when all donations are declared?
It's just the fact it's a hedge fund that's the issue...one.
Blown out of all proportion.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"David Cameron has done exactly the same thing "


Yes we all know that
nothing new

I back the PM


Not your loser Ed
who was found out today hiding this

Well sorry but for me if you support one person for perceived hypocrisy but condemn another then that doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid.

Also we will see who is the real loser come May 8th when the results come in, will Cameron again fail badly to win an election outright for the Conservatives and even end up not being able to govern at all.

Or will in fact, Ed Miliband just do enough to get seats he needs to be able govern either alone or with the support across the house of nea all the other parties in the house of commons,unlike David Cameron would be able to do.

The way things stand at present, and thinking of the shocking comments the Conservatives are making as to the SNP, it could well be that both the Conservatives and Labour could end up with around 285 to 290 seats each, with the SNP likely to be around 40, then in fact neither main party could govern without SNP support in some way.
I'd love to see David Cameron haveing to eat loads of humble pie trying to get any possible deal at all with the SNP, after the way he has demonised them.

That will determine who is the loser,and who wins too, not this ongoing nonsense in politics of dubious donations to parties.
That is an issue that will never go away until the system is well and truly tightened up on as to the whole lot of them.

[Livia]

Imagine for a moment if this was about a donation to the Tories and ask yourselves if all the posts on here would read the same.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Imagine for a moment if this was about a donation to the Tories and ask yourselves if all the posts on here would read the same.

They would from me for sure, as I think the funding of the parties needs to be looked at anyway, however I still say all of them have this happening and all can be and are sort of hypocritical about it.
None do anything about it and wriggle to defend it when it comes about.

This is something I would not condemn David Cameron just as I wouldn't the other parties, I think this has gone on unchecked for too long.
However it will alwasy happen unless it is made fully 'illegal' to do so and made to stick, more to the point.

Then again, the public would not want the parties funded by the taxpayer so I really cannot see change coming at all.
One leader and party however cannot,in full fairness, be condemned without all the others in my view and I would definitely be saying exactly what I am saying now were this particular one a donation to the Conservatives.
I could beg the question, were this a donation to the Conservatives would this thread even exist to then attack Cameron,I for one certainly wouldn't have made one since I think this is rife in politics.

Even my Dad says, this has gone on for ages anyway as to the parties really.

[Livia]

Oh I think this thread would definitely exist if it had been a dodgy Conservative donation. You've only got to read some of the outrageous statements on this forum from people who are anti-Tory, they'd have been all over this with the usual, predictable histrionics. To then claim that Miliband isn't responsible is laughable. Miliband is responsible. He is the leader of the party, the buck stops with him. The buck stops with all the leaders to be responsible for what happens in their party.