[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

For goodness sake, where is that being on the fence, I say he didn't kill them or order it either, I believe Henry Tudor did it when he usurped the throne.
They were all that were left of the Yorkist line, it would have been folly for Richard to have actually killed them.

Anyway, I am not on the fence at all,actually not on anything.
I think your view of people sitting on fences is distorted slightly, with full respect.

I agree. It served Richards purpose better to have the boys alive. Richard and Anne only had one son and only him after years of trying to have children and he was ailing. Richard knew that the House of Lancaster would take over as soon as he died.
IF the princes in the tower were murdered and not smuggled away into hiding, then look to the House of Lancaster and Margaret in particular, whose ambition for her Lancastrian son was obsessive.
King Richard 111 deserves to be buried at York where he was loved or in Westminster.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think Shakespeare was mainly influenced by Thomas More's account of Richard's hunchback. It was a fairly typical smear of the time to exaggerate or completely fabricate deformities to suggest that someone's inner evil manifested itself also in their body. It happened for a long time with Anne Boleyn that she would have deformities exaggerated to make out she was a lot more ugly than she actually was

Yes that's true. With Anne Boleyn and her sixth finger, her enemies accused her of witchcraft, mainly based on that fact alone.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I agree. It served Richards purpose better to have the boys alive. Richard and Anne only had one son and only him after years of trying to have children and he was ailing. Richard knew that the House of Lancaster would take over as soon as he died.
IF the princes in the tower were murdered and not smuggled away into hiding, then look to the House of Lancaster and Margaret in particular, whose ambition for her Lancastrian son was obsessive.
King Richard 111 deserves to be buried at York where he was loved or in Westminster.

I went down to Leicester Monday and Tuesday, got to file past the coffin, what a fantastic feeling it was.
Talking to so many people and the atmosphere despite long delays in getting through the Cathedral was just amazing.

I agree York would have been a more fitting permanent place for the King to be buried in,I feel sure it is where he would have chosen too.

Really fantastic event this is this week.
Much more of what he should have been given and a fitting tribute to him too at last.
One in the eye for the Tudors too, for Richard 111 to now be commemorated and have this respect and passion from so many citizens today, oozing for him all these centuries later.

[Kizzy]

What York?... You do know York is in the north?
Wonder why they lined his coffin with lead, that was pretty odd. I wonder how much this charade cost?

[Kizzy]

Is anyone watching the charade?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-32052800

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is anyone watching the charade?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-32052800

its amazing that anyone would want to see this shambles

Are peoples lives so bereft that they want to look at a coffin?

If they could go and and touch the bones then i guess that would be cool, to get a pic with the scull?

I find it a little pathetic, i mean look at this

[LeatherTrumpet]

the Royal Family sent in their big guns...

[Livia]

It's historic. You don't have to watch it, it's not compulsory. Some people though are interested and not quite so cynical. When you look at the billions this country wastes, I'm surprised anyone would have a downer on this. But I guess you can't please all the people all the time.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's historic. You don't have to watch it, it's not compulsory. Some people though are interested and not quite so cynical. When you look at the billions this country wastes, I'm surprised anyone would have a downer on this. But I guess you can't please all the people all the time.

they are burying some old fecking bones and pretending its a big deal

the minute I saw that clown archbeacon of Caerphilly with his big stick or whatever I knew it was a shambles

mind you, people watch Casualty so i guess...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are burying some old fecking bones and pretending its a big deal

the minute I saw that clown archbeacon of Caerphilly with his big stick or whatever I knew it was a shambles

mind you, people watch Casualty so i guess...

You are a bloody cynic LT. A cynic with no sense of history...

[joeysteele]

I was in Leicester on Monday and Tuesday as I said earlier to file past the coffin.
For me a historic and great moment, I really wish I had been there today but I will be going back again to visit the tomb site in the Cathedral.

How I wish he had reigned longer really,I find the whole thing inspiring and I am over the moon that he has had a dignified and fitting service and burial at long last.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I was in Leicester on Monday and Tuesday as I said earlier to file past the coffin.
For me a historic and great moment, I really wish I had been there today but I will be going back again to visit the tomb site in the Cathedral.

How I wish he had reigned longer really,I find the whole thing inspiring and I am over the moon that he has had a dignified and fitting service and burial at long last.

he didnt his bones did. he does not exist

and for dignified read risible

[Kizzy]

Historic my ar*e.... Waste of money, pathetic load of old cadswallop!
No money for public services but they can always find money to give murderous warmongers state funerals, it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he didnt his bones did. he does not exist

and for dignified read risible

Your view, and very thankfully not everyones.

I am glad that I in my lifetime got to witness a dignified burial for the remains of a much maligned, and unjustifiably so in my view, King.

Along with the thousands that were on the streets for the procession of the coffin and the thousands who then wanted to file past the coffin,coming from around the World too,I, and I am sure they, would call that 'respect'.
A wrong in history, righted as best it could be at last.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I went down to Leicester Monday and Tuesday, got to file past the coffin, what a fantastic feeling it was.
Talking to so many people and the atmosphere despite long delays in getting through the Cathedral was just amazing.

I agree York would have been a more fitting permanent place for the King to be buried in,I feel sure it is where he would have chosen too.

Really fantastic event this is this week.
Much more of what he should have been given and a fitting tribute to him too at last.
One in the eye for the Tudors too, for Richard 111 to now be commemorated and have this respect and passion from so many citizens today, oozing for him all these centuries later.

Lucky you. I wish I could have been there. And yes, I agree, a fitting tribute at long last.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I was in Leicester on Monday and Tuesday as I said earlier to file past the coffin.
For me a historic and great moment, I really wish I had been there today but I will be going back again to visit the tomb site in the Cathedral.

How I wish he had reigned longer really,I find the whole thing inspiring and I am over the moon that he has had a dignified and fitting service and burial at long last.

Why
so he could Kill more children?

[LeatherTrumpet]

has he paid his parking ticket yet?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Historic my ar*e.... Waste of money, pathetic load of old cadswallop!
No money for public services but they can always find money to give murderous warmongers state funerals, it would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

No Kizzy that area
has Hotels fully booked
Americans & other nations
are over here
they are spending cash


Thats just Great Kizzy
I wish I got up there to flog
3-D Printed mini coffins the size of a mars bar
and Key rings
with Solid Steel backs

[LeatherTrumpet]

They should dig up some more old bones and have this annually in different cities. Look we have found Shakespeare or King Alfred. Hartlepool could find Nogbad the Bad and bury him in a fiery Longboat.

I am pretty sure that a bone i found the other day was Pontius Pilot so i will be quids in

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They should dig up some more old bones and have this annually in different cities. Look we have found Shakespeare or King Alfred. Hartlepool could find Nogbad the Bad and bury him in a fiery Longboat.

I am pretty sure that a bone i found the other day was Pontius Pilot so i will be quids in

Yes there are other teams searching for others.

Its a Industry

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes there are other teams searching for others.

Its a Industry

Time Team have a lot to answer for