[Kizzy]

I don't doubt it at all Joey, you would think that following the many deaths and suicides that have been directly or indirectly linked there would've been some inquiry into the reforms ..but no.
Seemingly it's up to Europe to tell us how to treat people as human beings, no wonder so many want out of the EU, they could ride roughshod over the whole country then, and whether literally or figuratively we wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

[Livia]

It's unfair that people on disability benefit have been targeted by cuts. I'm not in favour of that at all. I do agree that efforts should be continued to weed out those using the system when they don't need it although I accept that they're a small minority. But those without a job? Well... if they really can't find one I think they should be given one.

[MTVN]

Good speech from Cleggy this morning: "the Liberal Democrats will add a heart to the Conservative government and a brain to a Labour one"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Good speech from Cleggy this morning: "the Liberal Democrats will add a heart to the Conservative government and a brain to a Labour one"

.. not to mention a squeaky sphincter to both.

[Kizzy]

there's a little test here to test where your personal opinions reflect those of the party you support...

I did mine and came out 32% green and 28% labour which was a surprise.
I won't mention the 11% conservative :/ Doh!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

[joeysteele]

Nick Clegg has always been able to talk in a reasoned way,however, I could be sick hearing him go on about mental health for instance, he has been part of a govt' for 5 years that has done not a thing as to mental health and in some cases,has allowed ths stigma attached to it to get even worse,especially as to the welfare re-assessments.
Now the Lib Dems suddenly around an election campaign find a conscience.

Clegg led his party to throw out,since tuition fees are no longer needing to be abolished it seems, PR seems much further down the list of Lib Dem priorities for govt; now too,most of their strongest principles.

The thing that bothers me about a future coalition that may involve the Lib Dems,is not just that they 'moderate' either the Conservatives or Labour in govt:
It is who will then however keep a check on the Lib Dems,I cannot see any way that can be done and since they kicked their voters in the teeth in 2010,I would not trust them to not do so again this time.

Nothing this govt; has done could have been done without the Lib Dem votes,the Conservatives,to be fair to them,in the main presented as much of their manifesto as they could,then with Lib Dem votes, got most of it through too.
Except for,in my view, the abuse of power by both that involved the NHS re-organisation that neither had any authority to do at all.

Nick Clegg cannot now gloss over all the bad things he and his party have supported while claiming credit for any good things done only.
That is all that came across to me from him, as I was watching him I am afraid.
He looks like a man about to lose his seat already actually.

[arista]

"Nick Clegg cannot now gloss over all the bad things he and his party have supported"

Yes he can
Like Labour do

[arista]

Farage is Live now live on BBCNewsHD and SkyNewsHD

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Nick Clegg cannot now gloss over all the bad things he and his party have supported"

Yes he can
Like Labour do

There is a difference in what you gave firm and even signed pledges not to do, that you then actually do as opposed to saying we have no plans for this or that and then doing them.

All govts; are guilty of manipulating voters in the past by not being 100% clear as to their real intentions.

The Lib Dems have supported some of the most extreme policies against the weaker citizens of the UK thatw as something they promised never to do as with tuition fees and even the NHS too.

Thankfully one Lib Dem MP had enough of the betrayals and they lost one of their brighter MPs in Sarah Teather.

There will be times when all govts; get things wrong,as this one has and has yet to realise and apologise for, such as the NHS re-organisation.

However, I know of no time or can find one that either Labour or the Conservative party have in govt; dumped almost their whole manifesto as these Lib Dems did to have 5 years of shared power and a few miserable Ministerial titles.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

there's a little test here to test where your personal opinions reflect those of the party you support...

I did mine and came out 32% green and 28% labour which was a surprise.
I won't mention the 11% conservative :/ Doh!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

Cant find out my percentages

Apparently I have the most in common with the greens, which surprises me

Edit. Found it
Con 11%
Lib Dem 21%
UKIP 16%
Lab 24%
Green 28%

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Cant find out my percentages

Apparently I have the most in common with the greens, which surprises me

Edit. Found it
Con 11%
Lib Dem 21%
UKIP 16%
Lab 24%
Green 28%

similar to mine, except you're a bit more UKIP than me :/
I forgive you though, just write out 100 times 'I will stop being a UKIPPER'

[LeatherTrumpet]

Con 14
Lib 14
Ukip 10
lab 18
Green 21
SNP 22

[MTVN]

Lib Dem - 25%
Con - 24%
Ukip - 19%
Labour 17%
Green 15%

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Con 14
Lib 14
Ukip 10
lab 18
Green 21
SNP 22

Well well well, aren't you the forum Farage champion LT?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well well well, aren't you the forum Farage champion LT?

Yes I really like Nigel

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes I really like Nigel

It would seem your views and his don't correlate though, how odd.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It would seem your views and his don't correlate though, how odd.

I guess it rather depends how that indy thing was set up and the way that the questions were posed.

[LeatherTrumpet]

http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I guess it rather depends how that indy thing was set up and the way that the questions were posed.

Oh, mine was pretty spot on ... maybe it was a fluke?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015

His signature looks like an inverted cross....

[Kizzy]

Unite says Ukip plan to abolish DECC is 'barmy'

Unite has issued a statement saying that Ukip’s energy policies are “barmy”. But what’s equally interesting is that the union is saying the Department for Energy and Climate Change (which has been under Lib Dem control for the last five years) has done a “fantastic” job. The statement is from Kevin Coyne, Unite’s national officer for energy and utilities.

At a time when the planning of the future energy needs of the UK is critical, the Ukip proposal to axe the energy department is beyond barmy and would create chaos.

We need a central department at the heart of government to co-ordinate and balance all the elements of a coherent and strategic energy policy – nuclear, coal, oil, wind, solar and fracking.

The energy department has been fantastic in co-ordinating nuclear policy which has led to much-needed new nuclear build in the UK. It has done a similar excellent job in promoting wind power which has created many good jobs and boosted economic growth.

These are complex issues, balancing competing interests from the energy companies, industry and the consumer. They can’t be left to the DIY policies of Nigel Farage.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...anifestos-live

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh, mine was pretty spot on ... maybe it was a fluke?

Don't think mine was really..I would never vote for greens..I personally see them as a bit of a joke Also I was against building wind farms and such, which is their main focus, or thats what its made out to be. I also dont really give a crap about golbal warming and such as I figure its going to happen anyway, and I'm not convinced we are causing as much damage ourselves as some would have us believe

[Vicky.]

Unless voting to disarm the UK of nuclear crap knocked my greens score up.

[joeysteele]

I have really been surprised today at the number of people really impressed with the UKIP manifesto.
The Lib Dem one seems to have passed by virtually unnoticed.

Apparantly too UKIP indicated they want to allow bars and clubs to set up smoking rooms if they want to.
That actually seems to have gone down well with good numbers of people.

[AnnieK]

Are people telling you they will actually vote for UKIP Joey? I'm interested as I've spoken to people who said they agree with a lot of what they stand for but feel it would be a wasted vote at the polls.