[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ruth Cadbury, Labour parliamentary candidate for Brentford and Isleworth really showing the electorate just how clued up she is

Youtube video

Yes was on Daily Politics
she has lost it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ukip will have about 3 MPs, at worst Lib Dems get about 20 more than that

I think UKIP are ging to be disappointed too as to seats won, they will do well in votes and come 2nd in many seats but fail to take that many.

I think the Lib Dems will fall to under 20 seats,they may just hang on to 20 but somehow,nothing is changing at all for them from the very low base they have been at for ages now.

I think I said this somewhere else,at present there is the expectancy of Labour and the Conservatives getting around 278 to 281 seats each with the SNP getting around 50.
If that really happened than neither Labour or the Conservatives could in any shape or form be able to govern without some agreement with the SNP, no matter what all the other smaller parties may get as to numbers of seats.

[arista]

Yes ED you ain't wanted

[Kizzy]

Seeing how he's topping the polls I find that hard to believe.

[joeysteele]

arista is clearly carefully ignoring and avoiding the fact, posted several times on other threads, as to the follow on picture to the one above,where the 3 female leaders all go across to Ed Miliband and away from Nigel Farage.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

arista is clearly carefully ignoring and avoiding the fact, posted several times on other threads, as to the follow on picture to the one above,where the 3 female leaders all go across to Ed Miliband and away from Nigel Farage.

Yes but its what is being Debated on Huff Post.

Farage shakes there hands at the end.

If its on other threads - so what?



The MP's Edit like Feck


So can I.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but its what is being Debated on Huff Post.

Farage shakes there hands at the end.

If its on other threads - so what?



The MP's Edit like Feck


So can I.

Well he is hardly not wanted as you are trying to infer, considering they were trying to persaude and pressure him for well over an hour into joining them into being a force to keep your lot out.

Clearly he is wanted in that case and he is the one 'all' 3 went over 'united' to as well,no matter how it gets 'ED'ited.

[Kizzy]

Spoiler:

Lonleeee, farage so lonleee ...he has nobodeeee

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Spoiler:

Lonleeee, farage so lonleee ...he has nobodeeee

That really is a picture that speaks a thousand words.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well he is hardly not wanted as you are trying to infer, considering they were trying to persaude and pressure him for well over an hour into joining them into being a force to keep your lot out.

Clearly he is wanted in that case and he is the one 'all' 3 went over 'united' to as well,no matter how it gets 'ED'ited.

We will see on the 7th of May



SNP killing ScottishLabour


Utter Bliss

[Jřsh]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The BNP is not even a main party so I do not know why you have even mentioned them.

If I could vote, it would be for the greens.

Bit late,but I actually meant to say SNP,it's been edited.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

We will see on the 7th of May



SNP killing ScottishLabour


Utter Bliss

most of the papers in Scotland leading with the news that the labour leader in Scotland is going to lose his seat

that would be catastrophic

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bobnot

That really is a picture that speaks a thousand words.

yes it shows 3 ladies shaking millibands hand before they turn and shake nigels

at least watch the debate

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes it shows 3 ladies shaking millibands hand before they turn and shake nigels

at least watch the debate

I did watch it trump you seem to be getting desperate in your attacks. Calm down you seem so angry its not good for you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

We will see on the 7th of May



SNP killing ScottishLabour


Utter Bliss

We will see after the 8th May arista,when the results are known,when also hopefully there is a good working arrangement put in place by Labour and the SNP.
Not a full coalition but a minority Labour govt; that will have the support of the SNP,Plaid Cymru, The Greens and the SDLP from Northern Ireland, maybe even the DUP too.

Labour will be the only party of the main 3 UK parties still with fair representation in Scotland and all the losses it 'may' incur will be to a party that thankfully will in no way whatsoever, support the Conservatives in parliament, will not support a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition,and also will not support any grouping as to a govt; that includes UKIP either.

I wouldn't be too sure of the supposed bloodbath happening in Scotland either, a massive amount of voters there are still undecided between Labour and the SNP.
The wide margin in polling does not take that into account.

There is one thing for certain,no matter what happens North of the border,it will in no way whatsoever be of benefit to the Conservatives,Lib Dems or UKIP.
What happens there,even in the worst scenario for Labour, would still result in the likeliest strongest minority Labour govt; there has ever been in the UK,with the Conservatives well and truly out in the cold completely.

[arista]

",even in the worst scenario for Labour,"


Yes so nice it will be,


All you keep on about is guess work
its not even worth you posting
if you keep saying labour win

We just can not call it



But SNP Killing ScottishLabour MPs
is a yes.

Labour are hated in Scotland
blame your Jim

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most of the papers in Scotland leading with the news that the labour leader in Scotland is going to lose his seat

that would be catastrophic

Yes that makes Great Sense

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

",even in the worst scenario for Labour,"


Yes so nice it will be,


All you keep on about is guess work
its not even worth you posting
if you keep saying labour win

We just can not call it



But SNP Killing ScottishLabour MPs
is a yes.

Labour are hated in Scotland
blame your Jim

Labour will I believe be the largest party after this election,had Scotland not had special circumstances at this time, then Labour would far and away be easily the largest party expected after the election.

What all of us, you included are doing is still only guess work from the polling we see and what we feel personally.
We are giving our opinions and ours are just as valid as yours arista and it is never right to assume anyone should not bother posting just because they post something you disagree with.
You do not 'run' tibb arista,you have no right to suggest anyone should not post.
So I will continue to counteract your 'guesswork' too if that is what you call others opinions who disagree with yours.

Labour are not by the way hated in Scotland, more guess work then on your part that is too.
There are voters disillusioned with Labour and at this time they prefer the SNP to Labour,which is hardly a surprise since the SNP have done a great job in the Scottish parliament.

It is not however the case that Labour are hated in Scotland as you,in my view, wrongly put it.
That is a gross misrepresenation of the actual facts again,since without the SNP, Labour would be romping home in seat after seat in Scotland against all other parties.

[arista]

Farage just on Ch4NewsHD
said he will work with the Conservatives
he does not want a minister car.
He is full aware of what Micheal Gove
has said.


He also gave a great example
Churchill worked with Stalin

Roll on the Election.


Feck off Labour

[arista]

"You do not 'run' tibb arista,"

No I do not.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

",even in the worst scenario for Labour,"


Yes so nice it will be,


All you keep on about is guess work
its not even worth you posting
if you keep saying labour win

We just can not call it



But SNP Killing ScottishLabour MPs
is a yes.

Labour are hated in Scotland
blame your Jim

Everyones only going on guesses until the actual election though arista. I feel you are being very rude to joey recently. Yes you support the tories, and he (now) supports labour, but theres no need for the snipes all the time

I dont feel theres going to be as much of a 'mass wipeout' of labour seats in scotland as some are predicting..same as I am not sure the libdems will lose as many as predicted. But if we dont go on what we think will happen, then its useless talking about the election at all really. Even talking about the manifestos is guesswork, given that 9 times out of 10 they go out of the window once power is given :S

[arista]

"I feel you are being very rude to joey recently."

OK Vicky
no more rude to Joey

I am Conservative
and Honest

[arista]

"I dont feel theres going to be as much of a 'mass wipeout' of labour seats in scotland as some are predicting"

OK


But I hope there is
it is needed
as they are no longer needed in Scotland.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Labour will I believe be the largest party after this election,had Scotland not had special circumstances at this time, then Labour would far and away be easily the largest party expected after the election.

What all of us, you included are doing is still only guess work from the polling we see and what we feel personally.
We are giving our opinions and ours are just as valid as yours arista and it is never right to assume anyone should not bother posting just because they post something you disagree with.
You do not 'run' tibb arista,you have no right to suggest anyone should not post.
So I will continue to counteract your 'guesswork' too if that is what you call others opinions who disagree with yours.

Labour are not by the way hated in Scotland, more guess work then on your part that is too.
There are voters disillusioned with Labour and at this time they prefer the SNP to Labour,which is hardly a surprise since the SNP have done a great job in the Scottish parliament.

It is not however the case that Labour are hated in Scotland as you,in my view, wrongly put it.
That is a gross misrepresenation of the actual facts again,since without the SNP, Labour would be romping home in seat after seat in Scotland against all other parties.

I don't see evidence of an amazing turnaround in labour since the last election. The party currently in power always polls much worse than reality, its just human nature, but come election day, I see no reason for labour to be in a better position than they were last time round.

They lost the last election even without any transfer of Scottish seats to SNP, so even a combined labour/snp collective still isn't going to produce a majority without a serious % swing from tory to labour. I see no evidence of any swing, so for me it will be a Tory minority government. There is no evidence to suggest labour have a chance of winning

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I don't see evidence of an amazing turnaround in labour since the last election. The party currently in power always polls much worse than reality, its just human nature, but come election day, I see no reason for labour to be in a better position than they were last time round.

They lost the last election even without any transfer of Scottish seats to SNP, so even a combined labour/snp collective still isn't going to produce a majority without a serious % swing from tory to labour. I see no evidence of any swing, so for me it will be a Tory minority government. There is no evidence to suggest labour have a chance of winning

I am afraid that is incorrect and if you were to bring up the 'electoral calculus' for instance as one measure,that goes really in depth on electoral analysis.
You will find it currently has a prediction of Conservatives 283 seats and Labour 279,with the SNP on 48.
That is worked out from polling over the last 10 days.
Which in effect,if right,shows a fairly strong change since 2010.

If you also look at the 'polling report' of the latest UK opinion polls.
It is predicting Labour short of an overall majority by 25.
All the polling done now too, takes into account the possible loss of around 30 seats in Scotland from Labour to the SNP.
Check those figures yourself,they are not mine they are from official polling.

Neither main party has a chance of winning outright it seems if the polling is any way right but both do probably have the chance of being the party with most seats, be it only a few either way.
However, the game changer is how many seats the SNP get, any seats they fail to gain will stay with Labour in Scotland,the more that they don't will then add to Labour's tally.

The fact is that even on Sky,the BBC and all other poll of polls over the last week,both main parties are on 34% each across the average of all the polling.
Just that in itself constitutes a drop of 2% for the Conservatives since 2010 from 36% to 34%
It also shows a rise for Labour of 5% from 29% to 34% since 2010.

Those figures alone,if they were correct,actually mean a 3.5% swing from Conservative to Labour overall since the 2010 election.

Don't take my word for it however, you can check it all out yourself if you wat to, Anyone only has to type in 'electoral calculus' to get all the info they present from all the polling done.
It is updated daily too,even listing what seats 'could' be lost from and to which parties.

Of course we all just ignore the polls but then,there is nothing to discuss until May 8th if we do that.
You are sadly incorrect to say nothing has changed since 2010,and really with the rise of UKIP,there is no way to be further sure what is going to be the result in May.
Since UKIP are going hard on seats in the South however in the main,then any real good fortune for UKIP that materialises will likely affect the Conservatives, as Labour do really poorly in the far South anyway.
No one said there was an amazing turnaround for Labour anyway too, I said they would be leading the way if they were likely to hold their position in Scotland.
They are however in contention and that was something they were not in 2010.
While the Conservatives in reality look much further away from an overall majority than they even did in 2010 too.

So with great respect,how you can conclude that it seems nothing has changed since 2010 is a little confusing.