[arista]

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

If he's still in the job

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

If he's still in the job

Sure
His Adviser Dominic Cummings
has many alternate plans.

[Twosugars]

Re the backstop, the Guardian editorial, excerpt

It is important to remember what the backstop is. It is a customs and regulatory arrangement of last resort to address the unique situation in Ireland, for which Britain has shared legal and moral responsibility. It is designed to maintain an open and seamless border in Ireland in perpetuity. It would only apply if the UK and the EU cannot agree, by the end of the transition period, to a deal maintaining such a border. That is made more difficult by the tension between the UK government’s insistence on leaving the customs union and the single market, and the UK’s obligations under the Good Friday agreement which ensures the “demilitarisation” of the border as part of the peace process. Theresa May’s hope that ways could be found, amid mutual trust, of reconciling these objectives over time led Britain to propose such a backstop, to which the EU agreed. It should have been supported. But it split the Conservative party and triggered the overthrow of Mrs May by Mr Johnson.

The argument therefore directly pits the wish of the ruling hard-Brexit wing of the Tory party to deregulate the UK economy against Britain’s historic responsibilities to maintain peace in Northern Ireland and good relations with its neighbours in the Irish Republic. Polls, including one this week, show that what Mr Johnson proposes is rejected by the people of Northern Ireland (who also voted to remain in the EU back in 2016). They would prefer a regulatory border between Northern Ireland and Britain rather than between the two parts of Ireland. The US Congress has also said it will block any UK-US trade deal that undermines the peace process. Mr Johnson’s letter, with its brusque demand that the backstop must be scrapped, is both a dangerously frivolous threat to Ireland north and south and a gamble with his already highly tendentious trade aspirations.

It is easy to conclude that the letter is not a credible attempt to negotiate an alternative to the backstop at all. It contains two shoddily unreliable suggestions. One is to create “alternative arrangements” by the end of the transition period “as far as possible”. The other is to look “constructively and flexibly” at other commitments. In neither case is there any detail. If this is an opening bid in a process that is seriously intended to result in a deal with the EU, it is an extraordinarily reckless way of going about something on which so much rests.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
His Adviser Dominic Cummings
has many alternate plans.

some in parliament will have plans too

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

some in parliament will have plans too

Yes Dominic is fully aware

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Boris said today we leave 31st Oct 2019
today on all news channels.

Then why is he bumbling on about transition periods then the fool?...

[Sticks]

here is a technological solution to the Irish boarder, its called razor wire, land mines and armed patrols with orders to shoot to kill. Armed boarder check points where anyone wanting to cross the border must apply in writing six months in advance of each crossing which we will be minded to refuse.

Also submarines patrolling the Irish sea with orders to fire on all EU and Irish ships entering UK territorial waters with no warning.

I foresee a united Ireland, united under the British jack boot as Ireland is starved into rescinding so called Irish independence.

Do I qualify for membership of the ERG now? (Once I wipe the foam from my mouth and nurse says it's ok)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then why is he bumbling on about transition periods then the fool?...

Sure
not like the EU would agree.

[Vanessa]

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I've been granted indefinite leave to remain. It was in January, but I didn't realize until recently. I'm so happy

Great News
Vanessa

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

I can stay as long as I want now.

[Sticks]

But if you ever leave the UK to go on holiday, you will be barred from coming back.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

But if you ever leave the UK to go on holiday, you will be barred from coming back.

I can go on holiday as well. But if I stay away for more than two years I lose my status.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can go on holiday as well. But if I stay away for more than two years I lose my status.

yeah, but the way things are going, you wont be allowed back in to Italy

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yeah, but the way things are going, you wont be allowed back in to Italy

I have an Italian passport.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can stay as long as I want now.

We are keeping Vanessa,that is the main thing

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are keeping Vanessa,that is the main thing

I would love to take British citizenship. But it's so expensive

[arista]

Remainers will never accept a Leave result,
no matter how many referendums we have.

[bitontheslide]

Of course remainers accept the result, it's there in black and white. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't use the democracy of parliament to reverse the result.

The problem is that it should never have been a referendum, it should always have been up to parliament to decide if we stayed or we left, that's what we elect MP's for.

When they voted to invoke article 50, that is where the mistake was made

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I thought that kind of thing was being ripped up as of 31 October when we victoriously leap free of the EU unfettered by scuzzy deals

Free movement of EU nationals ends overnight.

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain

I still have Italian nationality, so I'm good

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also free movement of british nationals in the EU ends then

so it's gonna be tough for holidays in europe for the british people

and vice versa, what to think of not much more tourism income for britain, since who even wants to visit a country with a stuck up selfish british elite in power who don't even care about their own middle class, poor people in britain

Its been debated on TV his morning,we will still be able to travel,we might just have to exert ourselves and get a visa like we used to before we went into the EU.