[Northern Monkey]

I think it's had it's day now tbh.
When you look at all this desperate crap they're having to do to pull in more viewers i reckon it's a definate sign that it's time to close the lid on civilian BB.
The premise of the show can't stand up on its own anymore.
When the producers have to start injecting fake drama in the style of TOWIE just to get anyone to watch then its time to call it a day.
I think BB has just been going on too long now,Its been done.It was a stroke of genius and it had a good innings but it's become so fake and forced now that it's more like watching Eastenders than a reality show.
The term 'reality' has become warped these days into scripted drama.
Even CBB feels more natural to watch.Atleast you expect to be watching media savvy celebs before you watch.

[MB.]

Yeah, they should just do an extended UBB and then cancel it to focus on CBB now.

[Jase.]

Give us another civilian series and if it's anything like this years (or worse), then yeah, axe it.

[Beetlejuice]

They should try at least one civilian series with the 24/7 live feed. It depresses me how much "fans" of this show want to bury it when one of the most important aspects of it has never been used by Channel 5.

There's so many obvious things they could do in this age of social media on the internet and yet it all such a shambles. From the housemates chosen to the lack of updates to the ridiculous twists and constant interference.

The civilian series has been ruined by the bad decisions made for it, not because of the format, which has never really been tried.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by MB.

Yeah, they should just do an extended UBB and then cancel it to focus on CBB now.

CBB will be dead within 2 years. The same thing happened with Fame Academy.

Stop telling them to axe the show and argue for them to make a better one.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

CBB will be dead within 2 years. The same thing happened with Fame Academy.

Stop telling them to axe the show and argue for them to make a better one.

What? Fame Academy lasted two years, CBB has lasted fourteen. That comparison makes no sense.

CBB's by far Channel 5's biggest ratings hit, and they could get even better ratings if they put the money usually spent on civilian BB into it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

They should try at least one civilian series with the 24/7 live feed. It depresses me how much "fans" of this show want to bury it when one of the most important aspects of it has never been used by Channel 5.

There's so many obvious things they could do in this age of social media on the internet and yet it all such a shambles. From the housemates chosen to the lack of updates to the ridiculous twists and constant interference.

The civilian series has been ruined by the bad decisions made for it, not because of the format, which has never really been tried.

Well that is a big part of it.C5 can't give us the story lines that they wish to create with live feed.

[Marsh.]

This time last year I'd have said, stick with CBB as it's the only thing they try to make an effort with.

But judging by CBB14 and 15 since then it's going to go the same way as the civilian show.

They really need to sort this mess out if they hope to make it to the end of this new 3 year contract.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This time last year I'd have said, stick with CBB as it's the only thing they try to make an effort with.

But judging by CBB14 and 15 since then it's going to go the same way as the civilian show.

They really need to sort this mess out if they hope to make it to the end of this new 3 year contract.

I think with CBB14 and CBB15 is that they were after BB15, so they were tampered with the constant negativity and conflict.

I think this summer CBB and next January's CBB will be a teller of whether CBB will remain successful or not.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by MB.

What? Fame Academy lasted two years, CBB has lasted fourteen. That comparison makes no sense.

Fame Academy carried on with celebrities for Comic Relief. It proved to be a greater success than the normal series. But when the original format dies, the celebrity version that it gave rise to soon dies afterwards.

CBB's by far Channel 5's biggest ratings hit

The normal Big Brother is still it's biggest show as well. Even with the poor ratings this year.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by BB6

I think with CBB14 and CBB15 is that they were after BB15, so they were tampered with the constant negativity and conflict.

I think this summer CBB and next January's CBB will be a teller of whether CBB will remain successful or not.

Basing those CBBs off BB16 so far I don't think they've learnt any lessons from BB15 so I don't hold out much more hope.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Fame Academy carried on with celebrities for Comic Relief. It proved to be a greater success than the normal series. But when the original format dies, the celebrity version that it gave rise to soon dies afterwards.



The normal Big Brother is still it's biggest show as well. Even with the poor ratings this year.

But did it die because the original one died or because it was a show with a short shelf life anyway?

I think CBB could easily (especially at 2 series per year) survive on its own on channel 5.

[Jason.]

Is BB that big for Channel 5?

Looking at the 10 most watched Channel 5 shows, since it's debut in 1997.

The revival of BB/Launch of CBB8 is #1, with 5.27m, making it the most watched C5 show ever.

But after that, it's all CSI episodes, which aired way back in 2006, rating over 4.5m.

CBB comes close to that. But, BB is just getting 1m. Even CSI re-runs on Channel 5 get more than that.

Not to mention other shows like Don't Pay, We'll Take it Away.


Compare to Channel 4's Most Watched 10.
5/10 of the list is Big Brother episodes, rating from 8-10m.

BB was much bigger for C4, than BB is for C5.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by BB6

Is BB that big for Channel 5?

Looking at the 10 most watched Channel 5 shows, since it's debut in 1997.

The revival of BB/Launch of CBB8 is #1, with 5.27m, making it the most watched C5 show ever.

But after that, it's all CSI episodes, which aired way back in 2006, rating over 4.5m.

CBB comes close to that. But, BB is just getting 1m. Even CSI re-runs on Channel 5 get more than that.

Not to mention other shows like Don't Pay, We'll Take it Away.

Precisely. CBB is its own thing now.

[LukeB]

I'm bored of the show now tbh

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Precisely. CBB is its own thing now.

Yeah.

I'd be happy if they ditched Big Brother, after BB17, in 2016.
And just had two CBB's a year, instead. One in January, and one in July.

Putting more money on a successful format is better than wasting money for crap civilian BB, which could be used to make CBB even better.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Fame Academy carried on with celebrities for Comic Relief. It proved to be a greater success than the normal series. But when the original format dies, the celebrity version that it gave rise to soon dies afterwards.



The normal Big Brother is still it's biggest show as well. Even with the poor ratings this year.

I know, but that's completely different. The celebrity Fame Academy was for charity and was rested to try other Comic Relief formats, because they'd done it for three years in a row. CBB isn't like that at all and is a show that can run for years considering the last time it was for charity was over a decade ago.

[Jason.]

CBB is the main event now.
BB has become the spin-off.

A decade ago, it was the complete opposite.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by BB6

Is BB that big for Channel 5?

Looking at the 10 most watched Channel 5 shows, since it's debut in 1997.

The revival of BB/Launch of CBB8 is #1, with 5.27m, making it the most watched C5 show ever.

But after that, it's all CSI episodes, which aired way back in 2006, rating over 4.5m.

CBB comes close to that. But, BB is just getting 1m. Even CSI re-runs on Channel 5 get more than that.

Not to mention other shows like Don't Pay, We'll Take it Away.


Compare to Channel 4's Most Watched 10.

5/10 of the list is Big Brother episodes, rating from 8-10m.

BB was much bigger for C4, than BB is for C5.

Certainly it is it's biggest Summer show

Check the ratings...

http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/weekly-top-30

Big Brother is to Channel 5 what Corrie and Eastenders are to ITV and BBC

[Marsh.]

And flies are to sh*t.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by MB.

I know, but that's completely different. The celebrity Fame Academy was for charity and was rested to try other Comic Relief formats

Funnily enough this is how Celebrity Big Brother got started.

because they'd done it for three years in a row. CBB isn't like that at all and is a show that can run for years considering the last time it was for charity was over a decade ago.

I just think people will get tired with it as well. The Summer series struggles compared to the one in January for starters.

And I maintain the problems with the civilian series are easily fixed by Channel 5 making one important decision re: the live feed and getting a production team that aren't full of imbeciles as every Big Brother seems to now have.

Again, it just depresses me to see fans of the show pretty much telling them to axe a programme that can be easily rescued.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Funnily enough this is how Celebrity Big Brother got started.

Which is why I said that in the next sentence.

BB can't continue in its current state for many more years, and it'd be much more worth it for them to shift their focus solely to CBB whilst the civilian version is still a sinking ship.

[Mystic Mock]

#BringAaronback
#BringAdjoaback
#BringKieranback

Yes I'm being a hypocrite.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by BB6

CBB is the main event now.
BB has become the spin-off.

A decade ago, it was the complete opposite.

A decade ago there was 24/7 live coverage, a good website and a production team that knew what they were doing. All of that could come back and help the show considerably but the fans have given up even though you now have the presenter calling out for it and a lot of people on twitter saying it should be brought back as well.

[Marsh.]

Yes, of course it's not going to last forever. But the Celebrity edition has more life in it than the civilian version currently.

And of course the summer edition doesn't do as well as January, that's the same across the whole of television. Viewing figures are up across the board in the cold months and lower in the summer months.