[JamesBond]

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

[Pete.]

Nothing can justify Helen's comments though

[Jack_]

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

Nothing can justify Helen's comments though

Of course not. But Helens comments also do not negate the days and days of Brian picking at Helen/Marc often for little or no reason He instigated every argument, bar the last one then tried to play victim

[Livia]

I think most of the time Brian was sticking up for someone else, rather than just instigating an argument for no reason. I don't think he's bright enough to instigate arguments simply to draw attention to himself. And whatever he did, he didn't deserve to be likened to a murderer and a rapist, that was low, even for Helen and she should have been ejected following those remarks. She'd already got away with calling someone who wasn't there to defend themself, a coke head. On the bright side, she's gone now and hopefully I will never have to look at her plastic face or hear her droning voice ever again.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

Who are you to tell me my thread is over ? LOL

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think most of the time Brian was sticking up for someone else, rather than just instigating an argument for no reason. I don't think he's bright enough to instigate arguments simply to draw attention to himself. And whatever he did, he didn't deserve to be likened to a murderer and a rapist, that was low, even for Helen and she should have been ejected following those remarks. She'd already got away with calling someone who wasn't there to defend themself, a coke head. On the bright side, she's gone now and hopefully I will never have to look at her plastic face or hear her droning voice ever again.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Who are you to tell me my thread is over ? LOL

Someone who deals with facts not fiction

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Exactly what happened

[spot_on]

Originally Posted by Jack_

He was a victim of bullying in the scene I have described. Anything else is pure fan fiction.

Thread over.

There's that word "bullying" again being thrown in there to create some type of false victim. Brian was not bullied. He was the instigator in almost every argument with Helen. We have two grown adults, both previous winners of BB, and you are saying one of them was "bullied". lol, give me a break.

Actually, it was not his fights with Helen and climbing over the wall with his tail between his legs that makes me dislike this guy now (I used to be a big fan). It was how after every nomination he cowardly said that it was not his idea, it was those other people who chose them. First thing he did after they were announced was to run up to the person and said "it wasn't me" in his best Shaggy voice. pathetic.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Someone who deals with facts not fiction

Didn't really answer the question did you ?

So much for dealing with facts.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Sorry I don't agree. Helen overstepped the line with Brian by saying those dreadful things. And her weak hearted apology (after much goading by Rylan) cannot undo what she has said. Brian was argumentative yes, but he didn't instigate her to say what she said. He is no saint and I wouldn't call him a hero but on that night he was most definitely the victim of verbal BULLYING. And up to this occasion I have never used the word bully in these forums except to say that it was far too frequently used for incidents that weren't in any way shape or form bullying.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

People see what the want to see and ignore the obvious.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by spot_on

There's that word "bullying" again being thrown in there to create some type of false victim. Brian was not bullied. He was the instigator in almost every argument with Helen. We have two grown adults, both previous winners of BB, and you are saying one of them was "bullied". lol, give me a break.

Actually, it was not his fights with Helen and climbing over the wall with his tail between his legs that makes me dislike this guy now (I used to be a big fan). It was how after every nomination he cowardly said that it was not his idea, it was those other people who chose them. First thing he did after they were announced was to run up to the person and said "it wasn't me". pathetic.

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Didn't really answer the question did you ?

So much for dealing with facts.

I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

People see what the want to see and ignore the obvious.

No truer words

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

Brian starts on Helen, Danny starts on Marc yet anti Helen fans can't see it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to keep separating this argument out into individual segments but it's really tiring

Yes he gave as good as he got on other days, yes he gave as good as he got at the start of the argument, yes he gave as good as he got at the end of the argument, yes he shouted at her, yes he blamed her and Marc, yes yes yes.

However, in one particular scene that everyone seems to be airbrushing out of history, and I'd recommend you go and watch it back, he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, and Helen continued to goad him, deliberately antagonising him (and admitting to doing so herself, 'I am going to antagonise you') and was smirking and getting enjoyment out of the fact that at that particular moment, in that particular scene, he was showing signs of weakness. What preceded that or came after that is irrelevant. In that one scene, she was a bully.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

Spot on

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Before you come for me, if you paid any attention to my posts you'd know I'm a person who hates the word 'bully' being thrown around the forums every series (and I even made a thread on it about a week ago which in effect was a defence of Helen, how ironic) and I don't do it lightly. Nothing Helen did last series or the large part of this series was bullying, but in one particular scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence (please see my other thread on this I cba to type it out again) she was being a bully.

It doesn't matter whether Brian gave as good as he got at other opportunities (which he did, I'm not denying), it doesn't matter if he put the blame on Helen and Marc (which to be fair, he also did), it doesn't matter about any of these other instances people keep naming. The fact of the matter is, in one particular scene in that final argument, Brian sat in silence on the brink of tears and Helen continued to goad him and got enjoyment out of his weakness.

When two people are arguing, it's a level playing field. But if one person isn't retaliating and you continue, you are being a bully. That applies in real life and in the Big Brother house.



I did actually. I'm a person who deals with facts, the post of mine you quoted was factual, whereas your OP is fictitious.

The thread is (as good as) over because I posted something factual.

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's funny how this aggressive instigator of all arguments is now viewed as some sort of victim.

He stepped up to the wrong girl and got his ass handed to him, get over it!

we all no brian would not harm a fly - that is the injustice of this - and melon was deliberately winding him up.

[Lampfan]

He's no victim. He wasn't bullied at all. Helen treated him like sh*t, her comments were a disgrace. No doubting that.

However, he let this rage build up. He was clearly annoyed that he wan't listened to in the Den and he didn't speak up so it just stewed. Then in the house he decided to fly off the handle at times when it wasn't called for. Chloe had just disowned her other HM's in a ridiculous act of self-importance so why jump up in a rage to defend her?

Then he pulled the super hero act. Even cussed out poor Joel for having the audacity to be his own man and like who Brian disliked. He joins in in the food fight, encouraging it even, but Nikki gets hurt and he's a DIY paramedic and refuses to sleep in the ****ing bedroom. I mean what a nonsense that was.

He was called awful things. Helen deserved chucking out but he's no innocent victim whatsoever.