[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

If you have been proved wrong with factual information, then the thread is as good as over. My post is the equivalent of someone responding to a thread asking how to fix a problem with their iPhone with a workable solution. No need for it to continue.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Bully:
noun
1.
a person who uses strength or influence to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.

I'm not sure Brian can be described as a particularly weak person after his behaviour over the days leading up to this argument. And I'm not a massive fan of Helen, I think that her 'rapist' and 'murderer' comments were totally unacceptable, but I don't think she is some kind of evil bully that everyone here makes her out to be.

Spot on.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you have been proved wrong with factual information, then the thread is as good as over. My post is the equivalent of someone responding to a thread asking how to fix a problem with their iPhone with a workable solution. No need for it to continue.

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

You still don't understand lol.

I don't want to know, nor care who you are.

Simply put you have no right to tell someone their thread is over. But you already knew that was my point and chose tho dance around it.

Bottom line if you dont like my post no one's forcing you to comment on it.

Well said.

Thread over /s

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Lampfan

Well said.

Thread over /s

LOL

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

You didn't prove anything, just that you thought for some reason you could tell someone else that their thread was over. And from what I can see comments were posted after, so in FACT you were wrong.

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

WRONG

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

Well, I guess that's proof. He's rarely wrong, folks.

Thread over.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WRONG

Agreed

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no defence of the scene I have described?

I am not joking, I would love somebody to try and tell me how it wasn't bullying because I liked Helen before this and have defended her before, but it was and I'm yet to hear any justification as to how it wasn't.

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WRONG

Saying 'wrong' doesn't make it wrong. Usually in a debate you cite evidence and reasoning to back up your claims, as I have done continuously.

But whatever floats your boat...

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

WRONG

Some lovely and intellectual input there

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't know how many times I'm going to have to keep separating this argument out into individual segments but it's really tiring

Yes he gave as good as he got on other days, yes he gave as good as he got at the start of the argument, yes he gave as good as he got at the end of the argument, yes he shouted at her, yes he blamed her and Marc, yes yes yes.

However, in one particular scene that everyone seems to be airbrushing out of history, and I'd recommend you go and watch it back, he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, and Helen continued to goad him, deliberately antagonising him (and admitting to doing so herself, 'I am going to antagonise you') and was smirking and getting enjoyment out of the fact that at that particular moment, in that particular scene, he was showing signs of weakness. What preceded that or came after that is irrelevant. In that one scene, she was a bully.

you know what...i watched it back .....

And what i wasn't not a poor weak brian..but an angry brianm..who had already had 1 blow up ..and was sat on the soaf..shaking with angry..forcing a exaggerated smile not unlike the joker in batman. I saw Brian..up on his feet..shouting in a loud angry voice...repeated calling helen a scum bag..no sign of being on the verge of tears in the least..

but i thank you for for suggesting i rematch it..helens comments where out of line...but in light of brian's joker impression..i can see where she was coming from

[Glenn.]

No one can defend that moment that's the great part. It's fun to see these Helen fans skirt around it because the have to admit that she was a bullying disgusting person.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

Exactly, and it's beyond tiring. I have never once said Brian did nothing wrong and have on multiple occasions pointed out he said things he shouldn't have as well, but there were separate parts to that argument and the one where he sat on the sofa without retaliating as Helen went at him is an example of bullying. Nothing more, nothing less.

Had that scene not happened, and it had just been them two arguing and shouting abuse (even with Helen making those comments) I wouldn't have had a problem and would probably still be defending her to be honest.

[Glenn.]

It's the 'he wasn't shaking and crying he was aggressive' route lmao

[Tom4784]

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She's an indefensible bully and what she said negates any right she has to take the moral high ground.

Doesn't matter who starts an argument, she crossed the line when she could have easily rose above it.

At the end of the day she's been in two different BB houses and both times she has been branded a builly by people who have had to live with her 24 hours a day. She's a bully and there's no defending her actions and deflecting them onto other people is just an act of denial.

Okay now you can close the thread.

[spot_on]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.