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MrWong · 01-09-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

He said 'appears to be having a fit'

If she was faking would he have even said that though?

And if she wasn't faking it he wouldn't make an immediate diagnoses which is why he said 'appears to be'

bitontheslide · 01-09-2015, 10:41 PM

i wouldn't wish harm on Janice, but she is and always has been an attention seeking over actress prone to exaggeration at every opportunity. She had a very painful bee sting with an allergic reaction. Not nice for anyone to get, but I do think she took the opportunity to milk it for all it was worth given her current popularity standing with the public and within the house

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

AProducer'sWetDream · 01-09-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tøm

This is disgusting. I'm actually finding this vile. Just imagine if someone said this to you after you had a ****ing fit. Ridiculous.

I find it quite disrespectful towards people (I'm not directing this at you, but to some of the people on social media who have had more 'extreme' reactions) who suffer from epilepsy and go through these intense, distressing and sometimes life-threatening seizures on a daily basis that their experiences are being compared to what happened to Janice tonight. Yes I'm sure it was a terrifying experience for her and she may well have had a panic attack- but the way she collapsed to the floor and lay there did not ring true as being a seizure. If she was having a seizure then one of the first things the medic would've done was to check that she wasn't choking/ hurting her head on the floor.

Lostie! · 01-09-2015, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

The medic was right in front of her, had no real concern for her health and clearly did not think her 'fit' was serious enough to help her in anyway during it.

No one has said she never had a reaction to the bee sting and no need to tell someone to pipe down for posting an opinion either.

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

T* · 01-09-2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

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AProducer'sWetDream · 01-09-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hannah.

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

I'll direct you to the NHS guidelines about what to do if somebody is having a seizure: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Epilepsy/...easeizure.aspx

'"move them away from anything that could cause injury – such as a busy road or hot cooker"- or a diary room chair?

"cushion their head if they're on the ground"

Lostie! · 01-09-2015, 10:47 PM

A DR chair isn't exactly "a busy road or a hot cooker".

Josy · 01-09-2015, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hannah.

No medic would ever approach someone while they're fitting for what I thought were obvious reasons....

That's not true actually, the first thing medics do is make sure the person having the fit is not surrounded by anything they can harm themselves with then attempt to cushion their head if they are laying on the ground or are falling to the ground, when they stop convulsing they then make sure they don't swallow their tongue and that their airways are clear.

Josy · 01-09-2015, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wouldn't wish harm on Janice, but she is and always has been an attention seeking over actress prone to exaggeration at every opportunity. She had a very painful bee sting with an allergic reaction. Not nice for anyone to get, but I do think she took the opportunity to milk it for all it was worth given her current popularity standing with the public and within the house

This is my thoughts exactly.

AProducer'sWetDream · 01-09-2015, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

A DR chair isn't exactly "a busy road or a hot cooker".

No but where she was lying she could've easily hit her head if she started convulsing...

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I find it quite disrespectful towards people (I'm not directing this at you, but to some of the people on social media who have had more 'extreme' reactions) who suffer from epilepsy and go through these intense, distressing and sometimes life-threatening seizures on a daily basis that their experiences are being compared to what happened to Janice tonight. Yes I'm sure it was a terrifying experience for her and she may well have had a panic attack- but the way she collapsed to the floor and lay there did not ring true as being a seizure. If she was having a seizure then one of the first things the medic would've done was to check that she wasn't choking/ hurting her head on the floor.

You don't have to be epileptic to have seizures. The fact that people live with epilepsy doesn't mean that those who have non-epileptic seizures should feel bad for it... If anything the opposite; everyone I know with epilepsy is on meds to help their seizures and I don't have any options other than 'don't stand up too fast' and 'make sure people around you know it'll happen'

MrWong · 01-09-2015, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

He did.

Doubt he'd ask for assistance if he thought she was faking it. He'd have just handled the situation himself.

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

That's not true actually, the first thing medics do is make sure the person having the fit is not surrounded by anything they can harm themselves with then attempt to cushion their head if they are laying on the ground or are falling to the ground, when they stop convulsing they then make sure they don't swallow their tongue and that their airways are clear.

Well she wasn't close to anything, was she? Airways aren't checked until there's more than one person present and tongue swallowing is a myth.

Next?

bitontheslide · 01-09-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie!

He seemed to be taking it seriously to me, considering he said "I need assistance in here" twice.

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I'll direct you to the NHS guidelines about what to do if somebody is having a seizure: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Epilepsy/...easeizure.aspx

'"move them away from anything that could cause injury – such as a busy road or hot cooker"- or a diary room chair?

"cushion their head if they're on the ground"

As I just said, she was clear of the chair. And seeing as we didn't see her fall and she was fairly far away from it, I'd assume he'd already moved her.

We saw an actual medic call for back up, why the **** are you all still calling bull****?

AProducer'sWetDream · 01-09-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hannah.

You don't have to be epileptic to have seizures. The fact that people live with epilepsy doesn't mean that those who have non-epileptic seizures should feel bad for it... If anything the opposite; everyone I know with epilepsy is on meds to help their seizures and I don't have any options other than 'don't stand up too fast' and 'make sure people around you know it'll happen'

I wasn't trying to suggest that for one moment?! If that's the way it came across then I apologise. My point was that people who fake a seizure should feel bad for it because it is disrespectful to anyone who has a seizure- epileptic or not. Again I apologise if my choice of words was poor.

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

Yes, from Janice

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I wasn't trying to suggest that for one moment?! If that's the way it came across then I apologise. My point was that people who fake a seizure should feel bad for it because it is disrespectful to anyone who has a seizure- epileptic or not. Again I apologise if my choice of words was poor.

And how many people have you ever met who have faked a seizure?! I appreciate your explanation but as someone who does suffer from non epileptic seizures I read your previous posts as effectively accusing me of faking it because I don't have an official diagnosis of something which makes it 'okay' to have seizures. When honestly with all the tests I'd prefer that

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:53 PM

Also foxes

Josy · 01-09-2015, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hannah.

Well she wasn't close to anything, was she? Airways aren't checked until there's more than one person present and tongue swallowing is a myth.

Next?

Yeah she was close to the DR chair which she had lay down next to when she carefully lowered herself onto the floor during her 'fit'

The rest of your post isnt true either tbh people having a fit can bite their tongue and choke or their air passages can become blocked.

Lostie! · 01-09-2015, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it wouldn't have been particularly professional for a paramedic to burst out laughing if her antics were fake either. So, I don't think you can read anything into his demeanour. Bear in mind, they would have to get his permission to show that segment too

Nor would it be professional for a paramedic to react in a lax manner to a potentially serious situation because he thought it might have been fake (which has been suggested with the "Well he didn't seem to find it too serious" argument.

My point was simply that he reacted in a way that absolutely suggested he took it seriously (his personal beliefs about which we know nothing being irrelevant).

hannah. · 01-09-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah she was close to the DR chair which she had lay down next to when she carefully lowered herself onto the floor during her 'fit'

The rest of your post isnt true either tbh people having a fit can bite their tongue and choke or their air passages can become blocked.

I'm very much aware of that, thanks

But you didn't say 'bite' did you?