[LeatherTrumpet]

I heard this morning we give more aid to Syria than all other EU countries put together.

But I would have thought refugees would be mainly women and children and not all young men the same age?


Like when a boat sinks

[billy123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I heard this morning we give more aid to Syria than all other EU countries put together.

But I would have thought refugees would be mainly women and children and not all young men the same age?


Like when a boat sinks

Who did they give it to in Syria? surely the people that need it are the ones running for their lives and i dont think money is what they are seeking just now.

[GypsyGoth]

I feel sorry for them.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

We have a moral obligation to accept as many refugees as we possibly can, especially since the iraq war and bombings in Syria are widely considered to be the root cause for these people to be displaced in the first place.

It's a humanitarian crisis, we shouldn't be looking at whether or not it economically benefits us.

I agree and the UK particularly should be looking at the mess we helped create and leave in place in Libya too.

These people are 'not' in the main economic or personal migrants, they are refugees fleeing harm and likely death in the troubled and war torn Nations.

Throwing money at the problem is not helping clearly that much, odd on this issue,this govt says throwing money is a good thing but to save things like the NHS they should not be throwing money at that.

We have the poorest PM in Europe in my view, a man who says much and does near nothing, he has to be dragged kicking and screaming or shamed into doing the right and/or decent thing.
Slowly he is being made to on this issue, never before from all I have seen or read,have I come to the conclusion that the UK has had such bad and weak leadership in the World from its Prime Minister and govt and we have now.
Thankfully some Conservative MPs have had enough too of his procrastination and saying more needs to be done.

Again JoshBB, I agree with your whole post,that is exactly what we should be doing.

[Tom4784]

We have a responsibility to help as much as we can, we've destabilised the Middle East and allowed the rise of IS. We have inadvertently played a role in causing the immigration crisis.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I heard this morning we give more aid to Syria than all other EU countries put together.

But I would have thought refugees would be mainly women and children and not all young men the same age?


Like when a boat sinks

The constant flow of pictures of young men and the distinct absence of women and children seems to be lost on some. While I do acknowledge that there are some desperate families trying to escape, the vast majority are quite obviously young fit men trying to get into Europe. I'm surprised more press space isn't given over to this.

Originally Posted by bobnot

Who did they give it to in Syria? surely the people that need it are the ones running for their lives and i dont think money is what they are seeking just now.

The money is given as humanitarian aid. It isn't given to anyone in Syria. I'm sure the people who administer this are not stupid.

[lewis111]

I feel I have quite a middle ground view on this issue.
On the one hand I say, these people NEED to get out of their country and to safety, they are all living awful lives, and we can change that. Imagine we closed our doors to Jewish people during WW2, it would've been one of the worst things Britain has done in history, could we do that now
On the other hand, if immigrants keep flowing in how to we keep track of who's in our country, as said before, we've not seen many families traveling across, the majority of the people are young men. The UK also has quite a high unemployment rate at the minute, and if immigrants need jobs to fund for themselves that number will rise. The UK is quite a small country, what about Scandinavia, large countries and a lot of wealth.
I'm not a big fan of David Cameron but I feel he can't win here, don't let Immigrants in he'll get a lot of sht for being heartless, let them in he'll get a lot of sht for the high unemployment rate and dropping economy.
I just dunno

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

The constant flow of pictures of young men and the distinct absence of women and children seems to be lost on some. While I do acknowledge that there are some desperate families trying to escape, the vast majority are quite obviously young fit men trying to get into Europe. I'm surprised more press space isn't given over to this.





The money is given as humanitarian aid. It isn't given to anyone in Syria. I'm sure the people who administer this are not stupid.

It suits the agenda to present the immigrants as opportunistic wasters rather than desperate refugees. There's probably a crapton of footage of families but why would the newspapers, TV channels and politicians focus on that when they can get a stronger reaction from the public when they present the immigrants as wannabe benefit scroungers.

How the news is presented is moulded and shaped to the audience's sensibilities. You won't get many positive stories about Muslims despite the fact there are plenty of good ones out there because Islam=terrorists. You're not going to get many sympathetic stories about struggling families because poor people=scroungers. It goes on and on.

Thankfully (although due to tragic reasons) the way the immigrant crisis is being reported is changing to the more realistic and sympathetic light it should have been reported in.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by lewis111

I feel I have quite a middle ground view on this issue.
On the one hand I say, these people NEED to get out of their country and to safety, they are all living awful lives, and we can change that. Imagine we closed our doors to Jewish people during WW2, it would've been one of the worst things Britain has done in history, could we do that now
On the other hand, if immigrants keep flowing in how to we keep track of who's in our country, as said before, we've not seen many families traveling across, the majority of the people are young men. The UK also has quite a high unemployment rate at the minute, and if immigrants need jobs to fund for themselves that number will rise. The UK is quite a small country, what about Scandinavia, large countries and a lot of wealth.
I'm not a big fan of David Cameron but I feel he can't win here, don't let Immigrants in he'll get a lot of sht for being heartless, let them in he'll get a lot of sht for the high unemployment rate and dropping economy.
I just dunno

We aren't taking all the refugees in one go, nobody is suggesting that. We couldn't possibly house the millions of refugees that need homes, but we can do our part. It's a shame that bigger countries like America aren't taking that many on, but we can lead the way by taking numbers in the 10s of thousands.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lewis111

I feel I have quite a middle ground view on this issue.
On the one hand I say, these people NEED to get out of their country and to safety, they are all living awful lives, and we can change that. Imagine we closed our doors to Jewish people during WW2, it would've been one of the worst things Britain has done in history, could we do that now
On the other hand, if immigrants keep flowing in how to we keep track of who's in our country, as said before, we've not seen many families traveling across, the majority of the people are young men. The UK also has quite a high unemployment rate at the minute, and if immigrants need jobs to fund for themselves that number will rise. The UK is quite a small country, what about Scandinavia, large countries and a lot of wealth.
I'm not a big fan of David Cameron but I feel he can't win here, don't let Immigrants in he'll get a lot of sht for being heartless, let them in he'll get a lot of sht for the high unemployment rate and dropping economy.
I just dunno

People have quite a fluffy view of how this country reacted to the Jewish crisis in WW2. There was very vocal opposition to Jews coming here. After the war many were kept in holding camps for months... years. It wasn't all, come on in and have a cup of tea, mate. In 1938 over 300,000 German Jews had applied for only 27,000 refugee places. My family were lucky to be accepted in to the UK, but many weren't.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

We aren't taking all the refugees in one go, nobody is suggesting that. We couldn't possibly house the millions of refugees that need homes, but we can do our part. It's a shame that bigger countries like America aren't taking that many on, but we can lead the way by taking numbers in the 10s of thousands.

We are taking our share, alongside the fact that this country took in 300,000 foreign nationals last year from Europe. We will only be taking people from UN refugee camps which is totally the right thing and may hopefully deter some from making the journey illegally. We've also given a billion pounds so far toward humanitarian aid in Syria and the surrounding area, much more than any other European country and more, I have heard, than the rest of Europe combined. I'm quite proud of what we're doing. Could we do more? Possibly... we can always do more. Should we do more? I think by doing more we are enabling other countries - the USA, Canada, Australia - not to step up to the plate.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

We are taking our share, alongside the fact that this country took in 300,000 foreign nationals last year from Europe. We will only be taking people from UN refugee camps which is totally the right thing and may hopefully deter some from making the journey illegally. We've also given a billion pounds so far toward humanitarian aid in Syria and the surrounding area, much more than any other European country and more, I have heard, than the rest of Europe combined. I'm quite proud of what we're doing. Could we do more? Possibly... we can always do more. Should we do more? I think by doing more we are enabling other countries - the USA, Canada, Australia - not to step up to the plate.

I agree that those countries need to do more, but by deciding not to help anymore and saying "its your responsibility not mine!", we're letting people die that don't need to.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I agree that those countries need to do more, but by deciding not to help anymore and saying "its your responsibility not mine!", we're letting people die that don't need to.

Who's saying "it's your responsibility not mine"? Obviously from the contributions we've made and the agreement to take refugees from UN camps we have recognised our responsibility. The Royal Navy has at least three ships in the Med and has rescued thousands of people. But we are a tiny country and cannot take everyone. The whole world needs to work together on this instead of squabbling while people die.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

People have quite a fluffy view of how this country reacted to the Jewish crisis in WW2. There was very vocal opposition to Jews coming here. After the war many were kept in holding camps for months... years. It wasn't all, come on in and have a cup of tea, mate. In 1938 over 300,000 German Jews had applied for only 27,000 refugee places. My family were lucky to be accepted in to the UK, but many weren't.

I think it would do most people good to read up on their history and just how treacherously the British Government treated the Jews.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It suits the agenda to present the immigrants as opportunistic wasters rather than desperate refugees. There's probably a crapton of footage of families but why would the newspapers, TV channels and politicians focus on that when they can get a stronger reaction from the public when they present the immigrants as wannabe benefit scroungers.

How the news is presented is moulded and shaped to the audience's sensibilities. You won't get many positive stories about Muslims despite the fact there are plenty of good ones out there because Islam=terrorists. You're not going to get many sympathetic stories about struggling families because poor people=scroungers. It goes on and on.

Thankfully (although due to tragic reasons) the way the immigrant crisis is being reported is changing to the more realistic and sympathetic light it should have been reported in.

It must be some colossal coincidence then that the media are 'cherry-picking' footage of immigrants which is mainly young, fit, well clad, and well shod men, to the exclusion of women and children, because MY own direct experience of our Northern towns and cities is that the vast majority of immigrants ARE INDEED young, fit, well clad, and well shod men.

In the past few weeks I have watched Alan Titmarsh renovate the garden of a Muslim mother who is a veritable saint due to the charity work she carries out and she was well-loved by her entire community (and by me) and watched a beautiful and charming young Muslim woman take part in the Great British Bake-Off, and she was enchanting.

And this is on top of several other documentary programs which gave platforms to 'moderate' Muslims.

I do not recognise any bias towards Muslims in our Media, but no one is stupid enough to think that ALL Muslims are terrorists even if there was.

[Cherie]

The problem is no one seems capable of setting up a system that will process refugees and weed out those taking advantage of those who are fleeing war and persecution. The media lump them all under the word migrant which gives the impression that they left their homes and lives for better ones elsewhere in Europe. I think whilst we should be doing more for refugees we need to be careful we are not letting people who mean to do us harm in at the same time.

[arista]

Dezzy
Our PM is taking Syrian Familys direct from the UN Base outside
of Syria.

They are LEGAL.

The others use Criminal Evil Murdering /Profit First Smugglers


So Our PM is doing the right thing.

We need to Get out of Europe
as they are going to sink under these Millions of
Illegal people

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The problem is no one seems capable of setting up a system that will process refugees and weed out those taking advantage of those who are fleeing war and persecution. The media lump them all under the word migrant which gives the impression that they left their homes and lives for better ones elsewhere in Europe. I think whilst we should be doing more for refugees we need to be careful we are not letting people who mean to do us harm in at the same time.

Our PM is taking only them
as they can not return to Syria.
So he will take Legal Familys from the Jordan UN Base
near Syria.


Our PM has sorted Our Side


Germany can Get Fecked

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The problem is no one seems capable of setting up a system that will process refugees and weed out those taking advantage of those who are fleeing war and persecution. The media lump them all under the word migrant which gives the impression that they left their homes and lives for better ones elsewhere in Europe. I think whilst we should be doing more for refugees we need to be careful we are not letting people who mean to do us harm in at the same time.

You'd think the UN would be the perfect organisation to do this. Really, I wonder what their function actually is.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Our PM is taking only them
as they can not return to Syria.
So he will take Legal Familys from the Jordan UN Base
near Syria.


Our PM has sorted Our Side


Germany can Get Fecked

I agree with him doing that tbh, I think Germany's open borders policy is ridiculous

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It must be some colossal coincidence then that the media are 'cherry-picking' footage of immigrants which is mainly young, fit, well clad, and well shod men, to the exclusion of women and children, because MY own direct experience of our Northern towns and cities is that the vast majority of immigrants ARE INDEED young, fit, well clad, and well shod men.

In the past few weeks I have watched Alan Titmarsh renovate the garden of a Muslim mother who is a veritable saint due to the charity work she carries out and she was well-loved by her entire community (and by me) and watched a beautiful and charming young Muslim woman take part in the Great British Bake-Off, and she was enchanting.

And this is on top of several other documentary programs which gave platforms to 'moderate' Muslims.

I do not recognise any bias towards Muslims in our Media, but no one is stupid enough to think that ALL Muslims are terrorists even if there was.

It doesn't matter what they look like, they're refugees from a bullet ridden hell that we've played a large part in creating. Again, I explained all this in my first post. Why stir up sympathy for these people when there's more to gain by stirring up hate instead? Our individual experiences don't matter, least of all yours because these aren't immigrants, they're refugees. They haven't ran from their countries because they fancy our economy, they've ran for their lives.

As for your point about muslims, for every positive representation you offer I can find hundreds more examples of demonisation. Alan Titchmarsh and the GBBO doesn't offset that. There's a lot of bias in the media against muslims, poor people, refugees etc. Just look at the tabloids.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

You'd think the UN would be the perfect organisation to do this. Really, I wonder what their function actually is.

I'm wondering myself

[arista]

"It doesn't matter what they look like, they're refugees from a bullet ridden hell that we've played a large part in creating."


Bang On Right Dezzy


Thats why Our PM is taking Refugees direct
from UN Bases near the outside of Syria
a nation they can not return to.



Not from the Murdering /Evil /Profit First Smugglers
who use dodgy dingys

[LeatherTrumpet]

Tells you a lot about a nation when the bulk of the "poor refugees" are fit young men

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Tells you a lot about a nation when the bulk of the "poor refugees" are fit young men

Yes but from the UN Base
near Syria Our PM is taking Familys
not loads of men.