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Old 29-09-2015, 03:46 PM #26
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I'm really surprised how people on this thread are openly stereotyping roma people as well.. and I refer to them as that, as gypsy is widely used as a racial slur and I will not partake in that.
Sorry - But these 'people' are sterotyping themselves. I see nothing of the prototype in thieving, scrounging, threatening, and being lawless.

Yes - the majority of Roma Gypsies may well be upright, law abiding industrious people, but the ones in the OP are patently not.

Oh - unless - as I said earlier - the one's boasting and the others are actors being paid by some sinister Right Wing faction to portray Roma's in a bad light

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People are forgetting the costs to send them home only for it to happen all over again.

I don't believe it's racist to bring this subject up, but I do believe that taxpayers' money is being spent here on the flight back home.

Why would they even come here just to live on the streets anyway...???
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Sorry - But these 'people' are sterotyping themselves. I see nothing of the prototype in thieving, scrounging, threatening, and being lawless.

Yes - the majority of Roma Gypsies may well be upright, law abiding industrious people, but the ones in the OP are patently not.
But they aren't, and you're not sorry.

By your logic, because of hitler, stalin, and moussolini (and the white people that put them into power).. people could say that "white people are stereotyping themselves" and accuse white people of being criminals and fascists.

Do you not see the danger and racist undertone in your argument?
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Do you know Josh - you're naivety is so collossal, your perception of reality so skewed, and your logic so flawed that I really cannot be bothered answering.
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oh wait wait this is SD&N

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There has been a sizeable community in flux around Doncaster and Sheffield for a while now though fortunately we don't deal with them so much in my Town.

Sorry Josh, I know anecdotal evidence is relatively weak but I'm afraid I'm going to have to go along with the sentiments of others in this thread.
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I loved your post much more, before you edited it Dollface.
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I loved your post much more, before you edited it Dollface.
I thought you would have

I just can't be arsed getting into these kind of debates on here
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I thought you would have

I just can't be arsed getting into these kind of debates on here
I understand Doll, and I really don't blame you.
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I understand Doll, and I really don't blame you.
I'm glad you (and Livia, Chaos, and some others) are brave enough to speak your minds freely and openly without worrying about backlash, it's refreshing
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I'm glad you (and Livia, Chaos, and some others) are brave enough to speak your minds freely and openly without worrying about backlash, it's refreshing
Sincere thanks for that Doll - it really means a lot.
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I'm glad you (and Livia, Chaos, and some others) are brave enough to speak your minds freely and openly without worrying about backlash, it's refreshing
Whats stopping you from speaking your mind, and what backlash would you get apart from maybe someone putting forward a counter argument?
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Haha, wow. Thank you. That means a lot.
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Do you know Josh - you're naivety is so collossal, your perception of reality so skewed, and your logic so flawed that I really cannot be bothered answering.
Seems more like you don't know how to respond tbh.
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I'm glad you (and Livia, Chaos, and some others) are brave enough to speak your minds freely and openly without worrying about backlash, it's refreshing
I don't think you've noticed but they aren't exactly the minority of opinion in most threads

Nothing braver than saying what everyone else is, right?
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Seems more like you don't know how to respond tbh.
Yeah - like I love the futility of accurately describing the vista to a man who has full eyesight but won't open his eyes.

You have descended to the tradition of misrepresenting what I so clearly said, and ignoring concrete evidence because neither fits in with your own bigoted left wing views, and that it ill becomes genuine debate.
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Yeah - like I love the futility of accurately describing the vista to a man who has full eyesight but won't open his eyes.

You have descended to the tradition of misrepresenting what I so clearly said, and ignoring concrete evidence because neither fits in with your own bigoted left wing views, and that it ill becomes genuine debate.
Sorry but I'm not the one generalising an entire ethnic group because some of that group commits crime??

It's literally no different from people who say we should have racial profiling because 'black people are more likely to commit crimes'. It's the same concept, and it's just as racist.

Just because racial slurs against roma people are less frowned upon than racial slurs against black/jewish/arabic people, doesn't make them any less abhorrent and disgusting, and doesn't eliminate the fact that bigotry like this has lead as far as genocide (with somewhere between 220,000 and 1.5 million romani people killed in Nazi Germany alone).
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I don't think you've noticed but they aren't exactly the minority of opinion in most threads

Nothing braver than saying what everyone else is, right?
Are you drunk today? The three aforementioned members are in a CLEAR minority in most of the Serious Debate threads on here, and you are now being insulting because I always say exactly what I think irrespective of whether it is popular or not and I am sure from the evidence, that the other two do as well.

Come back and argue when you are older than 14 Josh and when you have life experience outside of that cyber/media bubble you so obviously dwell in.
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Are you drunk today? The three aforementioned members are in a CLEAR minority in most of the Serious Debate threads on here, and you are now being insulting because I always say exactly what I think irrespective of whether it is popular or not and I am sure from the evidence, that the other two do as well.

Come back and argue when you are older than 14 Josh and when you have life experience outside of that cyber/media bubble you so obviously dwell in.
A clear minority?? Last I checked most of the threads end up being "empire, the truth, kirklancaster, arista, LeatherTrumpet, Livia & co arguing for one side, and then me, kizzy, and occasionally joeysteele/DemolitionRed"

Also there's no reason to start getting personal, accusing me of being drunk, and belittling me because I'm younger than you. (and i'm 15 js)
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Whats stopping you from speaking your mind, and what backlash would you get apart from maybe someone putting forward a counter argument?
Being wrongfully labelled a racist, xenophobe, etc.

I'd just rather not get involved when it's obvious how it will end up; me getting irritated by a 15 year old who thinks he knows the world inside and out.
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Being wrongfully labelled a racist, xenophobe, etc.

I'd just rather not get involved when it's obvious how it will end up; me getting irritated by a 15 year old who thinks he knows the world inside and out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiziganism

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Sorry but I'm not the one generalising an entire ethnic group because some of that group commits crime??

It's literally no different from people who say we should have racial profiling because 'black people are more likely to commit crimes'. It's the same concept, and it's just as racist.

Just because racial slurs against roma people are less frowned upon than racial slurs against black/jewish/arabic people, doesn't make them any less abhorrent and disgusting, and doesn't eliminate the fact that bigotry like this has lead as far as genocide (with somewhere between 220,000 and 1.5 million romani people killed in Nazi Germany alone).
Right. Now IF you have any intelligence and honesty at all Josh - Give me a STRAIGHT answer to this:

WHERE IN MY POST DO YOU JUSTIFY WRITING THE DISHONEST CRAP ABOVE?:

"Sorry - But these 'people' are sterotyping themselves. I see nothing of the prototype in thieving, scrounging, threatening, and being lawless.

Yes - the majority of Roma Gypsies may well be upright, law abiding industrious people, but the ones in the OP are patently not.

Oh - unless - as I said earlier - the one's boasting and the others are actors being paid by some sinister Right Wing faction to portray Roma's in a bad light"

A cretin can see that you are misrepresenting what my post says. In the section which I have emboldened, I actually ALLOW the fact that these scumbag parasites in the video footage and article in the OP are NOT typical of the majority of Roma Gypsy people - so why are you misrepresenting what I have said?
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I don't think you've noticed but they aren't exactly the minority of opinion in most threads

Nothing braver than saying what everyone else is, right?
That's not what i've seen (admittedly i don't venture to this subform often though). But it is brave when you have people throwing around the terms racist and xenophobic all the time, because people misuse those words (which are serious words) so much.
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If we can't talk about the problem, then we can't solve it. There is no harm in talking about the issue here and in no way racist.
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