[Daniel.]

There wasnt much in CBB15 either

Also BB14 started it all off

[Jason.]

CBB15 was the epitome of producer meddling.

[Daniel.]

I cant remember any except Perez secret room?

Remind me please.

[Vanessa]

I enjoyed it, thanks to the lovely Christian. What a cutie!

[Jason.]

Perez Secret Room
Alexander's walking/ejection (whatever it was, it wasn't shown to us and hidden from viewers)
Begging Perez to stay in on numerous occasions after him wanting to walk
Tasks which involve what housemates previously said about each other in the DR
Constant little/useless twists, such as the King and Queen thing, KP's nomination thing

Showing the footage of Perez in the Secret Room to the main house after he came back (the parts where he spoke badly about Cami and Hopkins ) - which erupted into an argument (producers got what they wanted) tick.

Final pass/eternal nomination = BB15 Final pass and Killer nomination

[Daniel.]

Thanks

Did CBB13 and CBB14 have much? Obviously BB15 did

[Jason.]

CBB14 didn't have much twists like BB15 did, but it was centered solely on conflict as well two housemates. I think CBB14 toned down, but it was a tiresome drag with the whole house picking on Gary storyline.

CBB13 did too. But it was done in a smart way and it wasn't centered around arguments 24/7 (BB15). You had Jim and Linda (enemies) being paired together or even cast in the same series, the secret room, Jasmine's nomination thing (where she saved Linda and Casey ) That's all I can think of, tbh.

TBH I think every series since the show has moved to C5 has had some sort of meddling in one way or another. I mean they even had meddling on C4, but C5 just take it too far and it's always about creating fake drama which is tiring.

[Daniel.]

BB13 literally had nothing, no secret room, only one nominations twist.

CBB11 and BB14 started it which is why it annoys me when people say BB4 felt like a C4 series. It really didn't.

[Jason.]

Yeah, but with BB14 it was new and it wasn't 100% conflict like BB15 and CBB15. I think meddling only worked well in CBB13 and BB14, but C5 have now made a habit of it.

Yeah, BB13 is brilliant.

[Daniel.]

BB14 was all trying to cause conflict, letting Gina and Dexter spy, giving Gna the queen bee task KNOWING she would se it on Hazel, showing nominations constantly, face to face ones around four times, the secret puppet or whatever, putting Daley and Hazel in the safe house together. It was just as bad as BB15, they were just lucky the BB14 cast was better than BB15's.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

BB14 was all trying to cause conflict, letting Gina and Dexter spy, giving Gna the queen bee task KNOWING she would se it on Hazel, showing nominations constantly, face to face ones around four times, the secret puppet or whatever, putting Daley and Hazel in the safe house together. It was just as bad as BB15, they were just lucky the BB14 cast was better than BB15's.

come to think of it, that's true.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

BB14 was all trying to cause conflict, letting Gina and Dexter spy, giving Gna the queen bee task KNOWING she would se it on Hazel, showing nominations constantly, face to face ones around four times, the secret puppet or whatever, putting Daley and Hazel in the safe house together. It was just as bad as BB15, they were just lucky the BB14 cast was better than BB15's.

Yep, this why they've had so many ejections too over the last few years

[Jason.]

Yeah this actually true. Ironically, BB15 didn't have any

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Yeah this actually true. Ironically, BB15 didn't have any

Helen should have been, she only got like 700 warnings or something

[Daniel.]

I actually think BB15 could have been good if Helen went around week three

[Liam-]

I quite enjoyed it, Marc Jade and Joel helped make it better, the time warp twist went on for too long, but that's a minor blip in my eyes, the last week was decent enough with the whole money thing and the first 2 weeks were amazing, it wasn't anywhere close to being one of the best, but it's nowhere near the worst.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

I actually think BB15 could have been good if Helen went around week three

I actually agree. I think she'd be more popular as she wouldn't have been a knob for 10 weeks, dominate the series, and end up winning the thing which left a bad aftertaste.

Although, there was far more wrong with BB15 than just Helen and the cast. The production for that series was absymal. The theme Power Trip was a bad idea from the moment they suggested it.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I quite enjoyed it, Marc Jade and Joel helped make it better, the time warp twist went on for too long, but that's a minor blip in my eyes, the last week was decent enough with the whole money thing and the first 2 weeks were amazing, it wasn't anywhere close to being one of the best, but it's nowhere near the worst.

Marc and Joel were the two worst, for me.

[Jason.]

Did Joel even play a big role in BB16 for him to be considered one of the reasons why BB16 can be enjoyable?

All I remember about him is him getting flashed

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I actually agree. I think she'd be more popular as she wouldn't have been a knob for 10 weeks, dominate the series, and end up winning the thing which left a bad aftertaste.

Although, there was far more wrong with BB15 than just Helen and the cast. The production for that series was absymal. The theme Power Trip was a bad idea from the moment they suggested it.

I agree, if Helen went when Toya did I would probably appreciate her like I do Alexandra because they didn't take up the series and brought drama whilst there.

People like Helen, Perez and Farrah are all cut from the same cloth and are good for a couple of weeks but any more than that is tiresome.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

Did Joel even play a big role in BB16 for him to be considered one of the reasons why BB16 can be enjoyable?

All I remember about him is him getting flashed

I remember loathing him with a passion

[Liam-]

Joel was amazing, every time he was shown he made me crease, maybe it's a Welsh thing idk

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

I agree, if Helen went when Toya did I would probably appreciate her like I do Alexandra because they didn't take up the series and brought drama whilst there.

People like Helen, Perez and Farrah are all cut from the same cloth and are good for a couple of weeks but any more than that is tiresome.

tbh

I actually agree (even though Helen was worse in Week 1-3). Although, I grew to like Farrah in her last week, so had she left in Week 1, I would've hated her.

It's sort of like Sallie Axl going first (she left too soon sort of thing) when in reality, it's better to have people wishing you stayed in longer than wishing you didn't win if that makes sense.

[Daniel.]

Farrah was ok in her last week yeah, and BB didn't let her overtake the series like they let Helen and Perez so I like her much more than them two, even if Perez did make me laugh on occasion.

Sallie was great though I though, I don't think she's the same as the three I mentioned at all, she actually got on with most people and only argued with Gina, Dexter and Michael.

[mrmattybeck1]

Same I was enjoying it till 4in4 out