[Samm]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This is the start of fascism. Look at Nazi Germany, fear and scaremongering around Jews.. discrimination shrugged under the rug. I honestly can't believe people are repeating the exact same thing but to another religious group.

!!

[Pete.]

This makes me fume

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

If you are calling forum members racist then I will report you

so who are racists?

She means Trump.... touchy touchy.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

If you are calling forum members racist then I will report you

so who are racists?

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

He should have been made wear an Islamic emblem on his jacket.

Jews having to wear the Star of David just before the Holocaust teas

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

well i would never have guessed you

or would I (avatar smokescreen... classic)

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Dasherleyne

Jews having to wear the Star of David just before the Holocaust teas

!!!

Yet again another case of people not learning from the past, another point is that doing all this will make the situation much worse, it will cause a divide. It's just stupid, they should be tackling Isis not innocent people.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

well i would never have guessed you

or would I (avatar smokescreen... classic)

eh?

He wasnt calling you racist. Touchy arent we??

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

eh?

He wasnt calling you racist. Touchy arent we??

i never said you did

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

i never said you did

No idea what you're on about.

[Johnnyuk123]

Loads of folk get kicked off buses for lots of reasons on a daily basis and of all nationalities too, so why is it such an issue because this one kicked off the bus for refusing to comply to bus regulations just happened to be muslim?

[DemolitionRed]

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.

Brilliant post.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its strange isn't it...I mean There's a contradiction in what we are allowed to say. We can't call someone a slut, ugly or thick to their face but we can talk about sluttish ugly thick people. We can name and shame people so long as they don't use these forums but once here they are given protection from being offended.

I've seen some posts on here that really don't hold back in the language they use and the hatred they show towards certain celebrities but these same people get terribly upset if they think someone is saying something personal about them. Seems to me that those who throw the biggest rocks become cry babies when someone tosses a mere pebble in their direction.

Unlike some, I'm too thick skinned and grown up to run off and report someone for getting personal with me on here, but then, like I've already said, **** just slides straight off me. On other forum groups I would consider reporting outright Islamaphobia and I'd do so, not because I'm far left (which I'm not) but because many Muslims use forum groups like this and those people really shouldn't be subjected to reading such nasty ****e.

so to summarise

no one is a racist?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

so to summarise

no one is a racist?

Except Trump.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Except Trump.

[Livia]

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

so to summarise

no one is a racist?

It's a decent sized forum. It seems statistically unlikely that absolutely no one here has any racist inclinations at all

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

At least we have more than one witness?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.

Like I said I'd think the whole thing likely is at least exaggerated, I'm just saying the denial from the company is hardly evidence of what happened as no company is going to just hold up their hands to something that could potentially lose them a lot of business.

[Northern Monkey]

I think,More than likely,Somebody has been kicked off a coach for refusing to store their luggage properly and because this person happened to be a muslim it has turned into some racial discrimination incident in the papers even though it probably is'nt.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

At least we have more than one witness?

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

It seems more plausible than an MP turning his back on troops in all fairness, so yes we will see how this pans out.