[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

I can't imagine why anyone was alarmed.

[Mystic Mock]

He looks so miserable too.

[Toy Soldier]

Sooo... Next time the unambiguous racism question comes up on a thread here, are people still going to deny it with a straight face?

[Kizzy]

This is classic stereotyping and the same reason little old ladies are scared of hoodies,...What you wear doesn't denote your intention.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Sooo... Next time the unambiguous racism question comes up on a thread here, are people still going to deny it with a straight face?

Being against a Religion isn't racist, in this case what you're referring to is Islamophobia which is a Religious intolerance towards Islam and the Muslim followers which can consist of White, Black, and Asian people, especially of the latter two.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Being against a Religion isn't racist, in this case what you're referring to is Islamophobia which is a Religious intolerance towards Islam and the Muslim followers which can consist of White, Black, and Asian people, especially of the latter two.

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

[LeatherTrumpet]

get him in CBB

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

get him in CBB

Is that a new Reality Show - 'CHOPPER, BULLET, BOMB'?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

I would laugh at anyone that looked at the camera like they're about to be sentenced to meet Tony Blair and George W Bush, but hey that's just me I suppose.

And no it's never okay to be prejudiced, but having a joke about someone looking like a stereotype isn't really prejudiced, otherwise Seth MacFarlane would be prejudiced then and I don't think that his got a prejudiced bone in his body as he takes the piss out of prejudiced people in his shows.

My main stance on this is that if his not gonna let the security see his luggage then he is a potential danger to the people on board so therefore can't go on, and of course it's not right, but it's only Human to feel paranoia about someone that's not showing his luggage to the security when his from a Religion that's got the biggest Terrorist Organisations around at the minute.

However I also don't agree with Muslims being singled out negatively for following Islam, imo every Religion needs to stop being so radical so that we can get a more peaceful world.

And of course I hope that the NE do these checkups on everybody and don't just single out Muslims.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is that a new Reality Show - 'CHOPPER, BULLET, BOMB'?

That's evil.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

That's evil.

YEAH.

[Kizzy]

It's perpetuating the stereotype, this thread is peppered with that, it could be considered casual racism too.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Oh that's OK then. Its that fluffy, friendly, more focussed brand of bigotry.

I disagree anyway; if the man in the picture was white and cleanshaven, even if he had a massive sign above his head saying "I am a Muslim", people would not be having the same reaction to this "hilarious" photograph. Therefore, let's call it what it is: not islamophobia, but negative, destructive stereotyping based on casual racism.

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

Exactly and that is what the Government have advised, the country is on full alert

To try and pretend that that chap would not make many a little worried is utter idealistic tosh

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Exactly and that is what the Government have advised, the country is on full alert

To try and pretend that that chap would not make many a little worried is utter idealistic tosh

Or 'Opportunity Seizing' to make political capital and 'faux' drama out of nothing by certain factions.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

At what cost to society as a whole though... And where is the line drawn?

I can understand where this logic comes from, it comes from the fear that ISIS is achieving at instilling in us. But at the end of the day, if I were on that bus, I would rather blow up into a million pieces then look at someones race, colour, attire, facial expressions, or any outward appearance and assume they were capable of horrible atrocities based on these factors. The day I do that is the day I know ISIS have stolen my personal liberties and freedoms.

Some people would go to war to defend their freedom, and are willing to die at doing so. I would rather die assuming the best about people until proven otherwise. Call me naive.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with. Its not under any circumstances discriminatory. Its called being alert and aware.

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

Doesn't everyone that doesn't show their luggage on any public transportation get thrown off?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Doesn't everyone that doesn't show their luggage on any public transportation get thrown off?

Stow?.. I don't know, but that's not what I asked.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I would call it being careful full stop. I personally am on guard if I see anyone I consider out of the ordinary whatever country, race or religion they are associated with.

Yes I am aware that many people (unfortunately, probably most people) live their lives with an undercurrent of xenophobia and casual racism but it is nice to have one's suppositions confirmed every once in a while, I suppose.

Its not under any circumstances discriminatory.

OK

Its called being alert and aware.

You might want to try being alert and aware to situations rather than outward appearances, is my advice. If someone is going to blow you up, he's going to be dressed in a hoodie and trainers, or a suit, or otherwise trying to blend in. He's not going to be "dressed like a terrorist lol!" . That's called stereotyping. And it's unambiguously ****ing racist.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So by putting him off the bus he ceased to be a 'threat'....
Could he have not gone and got on another bus if that was his intention?

The post I responded to was implying that we are all racist for suggesting the chap looked and behaved out of the ordinary. I stated my own reactions to similar situations, which are not racist in the slightest.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Stow?.. I don't know, but that's not what I asked.

Well yes it kinda was what you asked because nobody in their right mind is gonna try and get on a Bus from the same company after being thrown off are they?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by PeppermintMokka

At what cost to society as a whole though... And where is the line drawn?

I can understand where this logic comes from, it comes from the fear that ISIS is achieving at instilling in us. But at the end of the day, if I were on that bus, I would rather blow up into a million pieces then look at someones race, colour, attire, facial expressions, or any outward appearance and assume they were capable of horrible atrocities based on these factors. The day I do that is the day I know ISIS have stolen my personal liberties and freedoms.

Some people would go to war to defend their freedom, and are willing to die at doing so. I would rather die assuming the best about people until proven otherwise. Call me naive.

You are not naive Mokka, just a thoroughly decent human being, but to be fair - and all joking aside - I truly believe, and the evidence supports me, that this guy being asked to leave the bus had NOTHING to do with his colour, creed or political persuasion, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he looks intimidating and acted in an intimidating manner by arrogantly refusing to comply with the bus service's standard regulations, and was violently shouting and bawling and being deliberately confrontational.

If this had been a white, drunken aggressive Englishman acting in the same manner and ejected accordingly, we would not even have this thread.

Unless he also happened to have a gold crucifix around his neck, THEN we would have seen a barrage of posts THE MAJORITY CONDEMNING HIM AND PRAISING THE ACTIONS OF THE BUS COMPANY STAFF.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

The post I responded to was implying that we are all racist for suggesting the chap looked and behaved out of the ordinary. I stated my own reactions to similar situations, which are not racist in the slightest.

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.