[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Well don't throw the accusation in my direction. Thank you very much

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh what's happened here is quite simple at heart.

The security have checked him out for obvious reasons, his then refused to open his luggage not because his a Terrorist, but probably has something embarrassing to his Religion in there, the Security can't take the risk of that being the case so they've thrown him off the Bus.

Of course it looks like it's another "lets segregate the Muslim game" again, but I honestly think it's a mix of that and his own stupid behaviour that would get anyone on here thrown off a Bus if they conducted themselves in his manner too.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are not naive Mokka, just a thoroughly decent human being, but to be fair - and all joking aside - I truly believe, and the evidence supports me, that this guy being asked to leave the bus had NOTHING to do with his colour, creed or political persuasion, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that he looks intimidating and acted in an intimidating manner by arrogantly refusing to comply with the bus service's standard regulations, and was violently shouting and bawling and being deliberately confrontational.

I'm willing to accept that there may well have been valid reasons for him being removed from the bus, if only because the stories are all conflicting so we can't really know exactly what the circumstances were. However, that does not excuse some of the posts made in this thread, which have noting to do with the original situation.

If this had been a white, drunken aggressive Englishman acting in the same manner and ejected accordingly, we would not even have this thread.

True; proving that the press are just as reactionary and discriminatory. Pointing this out doesn't really help the case, just highlights further casual racism.

Unless he also happened to have a gold crucifix around his neck, THEN we would have seen a barrage of posts THE MAJORITY CONDEMNING HIM AND PRAISING THE ACTIONS OF THE BUS COMPANY STAFF.

And this is simple poor-me butthurt nonsense Kirk.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Having a joke about his look isn't racist though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Well don't throw the accusation in my direction. Thank you very much

Did I? I think people are quite capable of deciding for themselves which posts I was referring to. I wasn't specific. Interestingly; you seem to have decided for yourself that I might have been referring to one of yours.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Well yes it kinda was what you asked because nobody in their right mind is gonna try and get on a Bus from the same company after being thrown off are they?

What's funny, what if he had got on bus from a different company, or a train?
If they had a genuine reason to suspect the man was a terror threat why not inform the police?
The other passengers state they have bags on the bus, and had he had too much luggage why was he allowed to stow it initially and board the bus and take his seat?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

Having a joke about his look isn't racist though.

It is slightly, but that's fine when it's done in a certain way. There's a point to satire, and it's not to be mocking or malicious. Like South Park, or I think someone used the Family Guy example. The point being to highlight people's prejudices and snap-judgement overreactions in a humorous way.

There is "laughter" on this thread that is quite clearly not satirical.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Who's implying anything? I'm outright stating that there are unquestionably racist posts in this thread.

Quote the posts TS let's see who you consider racist, God forbid that we make light of a situation, we don't even know the full story here

[Northern Monkey]

I think the thing perpetuating a stereotype is the fact that he comes here dressed like a fully fledged mujahideen and acts suspicious as **** on public transport.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

What's funny, what if he had got on bus from a different company, or a train?
If they had a genuine reason to suspect the man was a terror threat why not inform the police?
The other passengers state they have bags on the bus, and had he had too much luggage why was he allowed to stow it initially and board the bus and take his seat?

All of what you're saying reeks of incompetence from the National Express service, and a bit of what's been said about prejudice towards him for being a Muslim.

However he didn't help himself either and I feel that if me or you had've done the same thing as him we would've had The Police get involved.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Did I? I think people are quite capable of deciding for themselves which posts I was referring to. I wasn't specific. Interestingly; you seem to have decided for yourself that I might have been referring to one of yours.

Its something I treat very seriously, so if you did throw it in my direction, you could expect a formal response

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

It is slightly, but that's fine when it's done in a certain way. There's a point to satire, and it's not to be mocking or malicious. Like South Park, or I think someone used the Family Guy example. The point being to highlight people's prejudices and snap-judgement overreactions in a humorous way.

There is "laughter" on this thread that is quite clearly not satirical.

That was me that used the Family Guy reference.

But yeah I get what you're saying, it's just from my perspective I was laughing at his face more than anything else, his get up was definitely a stereotype though so no wonder some people reacted to it tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Its something I treat very seriously, so if you did throw it in my direction, you could expect a formal response

As long as you know that you're not racist though then it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks really.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I'm willing to accept that there may well have been valid reasons for him being removed from the bus, if only because the stories are all conflicting so we can't really know exactly what the circumstances were. However, that does not excuse some of the posts made in this thread, which have noting to do with the original situation.



True; proving that the press are just as reactionary and discriminatory. Pointing this out doesn't really help the case, just highlights further casual racism.



And this is simple poor-me butthurt nonsense Kirk.

Are you being serious about the sentence which I have emboldened T.S?

There is nothing of the 'poor me' anything in me T.S. because I can handle myself in any sense of the phrase and do not need to feel 'sorry for myself' - but perhaps certain others wrongly perceive my friendly disposition and preferrance to be civil and polite whenever possible, as weakness. If so that is their mistake.

Scrutiny of the relevant threads and posts on this forum, and a true and honest appraisal of the current Anti-Christian prevalence in this country can only prove my sentiment in the paragraph you refer to as 'nonsense', because - inexpicably - there is much MORE hatred and intolerance towards Christians and Christianity then there is Muslims and Islam -- and that is irrefutable fact.

And I repeat; If this repulsive twat had been a WHITE, ENGLISH CHRISTIAN we would not have had any thread DEFENDING him, nor as many posts censuring the bus company.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think the thing perpetuating a stereotype is the fact that he comes here dressed like a fully fledged mujahideen and acts suspicious as **** on public transport.

Besides acting like an arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious and confrontational knobhead - according to the bulk of evidence.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

Quote the posts TS let's see who you consider racist, God forbid that we make light of a situation, we don't even know the full story here

I think we all know I'm pushing it just by saying that they're there. The people who agree with me know which posts I'm talking about, as do some of the people who don't agree with me. Regardless, those who disagree aren't going to have their minds changed by the posts being pointed out specifically.

Like I said - making light of something satirically is one thing. Mocking with obvious malice is entirely another.

[lostalex]

honestly if i saw that man, with the same expression on his face, he could be wearing a Catholic priest uniform or a Jewish rabbi uniform, hell he could even be wearing a 10 thousand dollar Armani suit, i'd be equally as scared of him.

That dude looks very anti-social.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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Are you being serious about the sentence which I have emboldened T.S?

There is nothing of the 'poor me' anything in me T.S. because I can handle myself in any sense of the phrase and do not need to feel 'sorry for myself' - but perhaps certain others wrongly perceive my friendly disposition and preferrance to be civil and polite whenever possible, as weakness. If so that is their mistake.

Scrutiny of the relevant threads and posts on this forum, and a true and honest appraisal of the current Anti-Christian prevalence in this country can only prove my sentiment in the paragraph you refer to as 'nonsense', because - inexpicably - there is much MORE hatred and intolerance towards Christians and Christianity then there is Muslims and Islam -- and that is irrefutable fact.

And I repeat; If this repulsive twat had been a WHITE, ENGLISH CHRISTIAN we would not have had any thread DEFENDING him, nor as many posts censuring the bus company.

I feel that this is incorrect and that you simply take anything anti-religious as being anti-Christian, because you happen to be Christian. I will fully admit to being anti-religious bt I don't find any one religion more, or less, ridiculous nor offensive than any other. Christianity, Islam, Scientology - it's all the same to me. I promise.

However, I also don't consider being anti-religious grounds for specifically discriminating against Muslims. It might seem like a contradictory standpoint, but it isn't. I am 100% comfortable mocking religion as a concept (any and all) - I am not comfortable with singling out individuals because of their religion or perceived religious allegiance.

[lostalex]

I think i can solve this little dispute...

Can't we all agree that all religions are total bull**** and anyone that believes in religion is a self-righteous piece of ****e?

c'mon now guys, Now let's just hug, and maybe rub up against each other a little bit, and feel better about ourselves. and there is punch and pie at my place later.

[Northern Monkey]

This guy certainly deserved kicking off the bus more than the young English family who were kicked off a bus in 2014 for singing the Peppa Pig theme song to their autistic daughter because a Muslim woman said it was "racist".

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This guy certainly deserved kicking off the bus more than the young English family who were kicked off a bus in 2014 for singing the Peppa Pig theme song to their autistic daughter because a Muslim woman said it was "racist".

Uh????? This is the first I've heard of this. You're not joking though I don't think.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Uh????? This is the first I've heard of this. You're not joking though I don't think.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/26/couple...-baby-4882931/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/26/couple...-baby-4882931/

I swear to God now Paul, I'd have been arrested - for booting the complainant and the bus driver off the bus - before I'd have got off and walked two miles home with my autistic kid in my arms.

The cheeky arrogant bitch.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I swear to God now Paul, I'd have been arrested - for booting the complainant and the bus driver off the bus - before I'd have got off and walked two miles home with my autistic kid in my arms.

The cheeky arrogant bitch.

Ikr.Atleast they were'nt kicking off and acting like twats unlike the bloke in this thread.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Ikr.Atleast they were'nt kicking off and acting like twats unlike the bloke in this thread.

It all beggars belief - I think the UK is going loco.