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21-12-2015, 06:58 PM | #1 | |||
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Great Debate just on Ch4HD News.
Good on Jon Snow who told the Young Student we have many statues in London that have people a bit on the dodgy side. A Black Student Lad demanded his statue to be taken down. because he was a Imperialist. I say No its more important that we know about their History even if its Evil. This is what Isis do so there is no memory of the past. A link on this Story http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-10385293.html [Rhodes made his fortune in the Kimberly diamond mines and took control of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) under the auspices of the British South Africa Company.] Of course hundred years back or more Africa was owned by Europeans not just British. He was a Respected man of his day blacks were treated terrible - Thats all in our History. Last edited by arista; 21-12-2015 at 07:13 PM. |
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21-12-2015, 07:48 PM | #2 | |||
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Hmmm, we celebrated Rhodes and Founders day back in my time in Zim.
Where do you start with trying to put right what wasn't considered wrong in the day.. |
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21-12-2015, 08:47 PM | #3 | |||
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21-12-2015, 08:57 PM | #4 | |||
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You wouldn't have hitler statues as 'history' and I think this is similar tbh.
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21-12-2015, 09:49 PM | #5 | |||
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21-12-2015, 11:36 PM | #6 | |||
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Plenty of statues of Stalin dotted around, and Mao Zedong and plenty of other questionable men. Removing them would be like trying to rewrite history.
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22-12-2015, 03:47 AM | #7 | |||
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22-12-2015, 07:05 AM | #8 | |||
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Should we re-write all our history books too and pretend events didn't happen? History is there to be learned from, good and bad.
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22-12-2015, 07:32 AM | #9 | |||
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22-12-2015, 07:35 AM | #10 | ||
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22-12-2015, 07:36 AM | #11 | ||
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And this
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22-12-2015, 08:09 AM | #12 | |||
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Yeah it's good to keep history restored and not destroying it.
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22-12-2015, 11:37 AM | #13 | |||
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Hope that Thatcher one in the houses of parliament comes down for a start...
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22-12-2015, 11:38 AM | #14 | |||
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That would be another Isis type of action Last edited by arista; 22-12-2015 at 11:39 AM. |
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22-12-2015, 01:22 PM | #15 | ||
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I am sick and tired of people being offended by our history and culture. If they don't like it...F... off and live somewhere that doesn't affect their delicate sensibilities.
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22-12-2015, 01:28 PM | #16 | ||
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Trouble is.No country in the world has a squeaky clean past.People just have to accept that and we learn from the mistakes of the past.Blocking it out helps nobody.
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22-12-2015, 02:24 PM | #17 | |||
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Why just focus on the statue? Why don't they all just drop out of the university, then it would be a win/win situation.
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23-12-2015, 02:57 AM | #18 | |||
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The great irony here is, that huge numbers of learned black people throughout the world owe their education to Rhodes, because when he died, he left almost a billion US dollars by today's value, to found 'Rhodes Scolarships to provide education for poor students - most of which went to OXFORD UNIVERSITY to provide places at Oxford for students from the BRITISH COLONIES as well as Germany and the United States.
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23-12-2015, 08:06 AM | #19 | ||
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23-12-2015, 09:31 AM | #20 | |||
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Yes - I believe that the statue of Rhodes was erected by Oxford - NOT to celebrate any imperialistic attainments by him, but specifically to commemorate the massive amount of money which he donated to found his scholarships at that 'Seat of Learning'. Ignorance truly is bliss for some idiots. UPDATE: There is now a Daily Mail article about this. It seems the main protester is a 100% arrogant, ignorant ingrate hypocrite - in my opinion of course. [URL=news/article-3369612/Mary-Beard-raps-zealots-Oxford-Rhodes-row.html[/URL]
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24-12-2015, 11:19 AM | #21 | |||
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He is quoted as saying that the British were the "finest race in the world" and "the more world we inhabit the better it is for the human race".
“The Rhodes scholarship was endowed with wealth extracted from the terrorised labour of Black African miners. Rather than place a murderous colonialist like Rhodes upon a pedestal, Pull it down, pull ALL fascistic ideals down!
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24-12-2015, 11:56 AM | #22 | |||
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Hmmm getting rid of our history. Big Brother would approve.
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24-12-2015, 12:05 PM | #23 | |||
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Manipulating our history to make this man appear some benevolent benefactor, hmmm.
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24-12-2015, 12:13 PM | #24 | |||
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Teach people the truth but understand that it happened in the past and that you're looking at it through contemporary eyes. |
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24-12-2015, 12:19 PM | #25 | |||
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"UPDATE:
There is now a Daily Mail article about this. It seems the main protester is a 100% arrogant, ignorant ingrate hypocrite - in my opinion of course." Yes Kirk Bang On Right |
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