[Pete.]

Mad how New York from Flavor of Love will be the only black female to leave relatively liked

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Hayden

The only time a black woman has won a BB anywhere ever is in BB Africa, and even then there are only a few female winners. Says it all really.

Let's hope Tiffany can be the second black girl to ever make the top 2 after Legend Danielle Reyes

This makes me sad Come on Tiff!

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose part of the problem as well is that (going by the British BB anyway) you might only have one black HM per season (male or female)

Give them some credit, they've been incredible diverse having two black housemates this series

[wendywillow]

Asian male winners - 0/63

well, how many have we had really? I can think of maybe 2 in the history of usbb

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Danielle was the real winner though

was she though she got destroyed in the end

[susie q]

Personally I dont take the programme that seriously, it stopped being a social experiment
several years ago. Having said that I did get a bit fed up with the ageist comments on here that surrounded Angie. Ordinary bb has never had an older winner, and only has the token older housemate. CBB has only had a male older people win, (Jim&Gary) But this year we have had suggestions that no-one over the age of 60 should be allowed to take part. In spite of all the implied racism in these posts I have never seen anyone suggest that black people should not be allowed to enter,(It would be wrong if they did) but its ok to say that older people should be banned. Whilst Im on the subject of bigotry, where are all the disabled housemates. The big brother really should make more effort to reflect all members of society, and we as viewers should demand that they do. Thats my rant of the day.

[lostalex]

I think you should count disabled people, gay people, and transgender people as POC because they are also discriminated against small minorities.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by susie q

Personally I dont take the programme that seriously, it stopped being a social experiment
several years ago. Having said that I did get a bit fed up with the ageist comments on here that surrounded Angie. Ordinary bb has never had an older winner, and only has the token older housemate. CBB has only had a male older people win, (Jim&Gary) But this year we have had suggestions that no-one over the age of 60 should be allowed to take part. In spite of all the implied racism in these posts I have never seen anyone suggest that black people should not be allowed to enter,(It would be wrong if they did) but its ok to say that older people should be banned. Whilst Im on the subject of bigotry, where are all the disabled housemates. The big brother really should make more effort to reflect all members of society, and we as viewers should demand that they do. Thats my rant of the day.

Great post Susie

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Helen was a total cow but she was who she was and no way a fake

what you saw was who she was and she did not hoor her way through the show

...so it's ok to be who you are if who you are is a pretty grim, spiteful, hurtful and mean person because you're being 'natural and real'...but one of the most natural things of (being a bit horny)...and openly showing that (when it hurts no one to show it and pfft to Darren's awkwardness, really..?...and pffft to Scotty T, he's been equally as flirty toward her when it's suited..)...is not ok and 'hooring her way though..)...and obviously a female as well as it would be less 'shocking' for a male housemate, cos ladz ya know...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think it would be the end of BB

why


Because it will mean someone has won by simply being 100% fake and pandering to what the producers think YOU want

drama, sex, stereotypes


I think it would be a disaster for the fight against racism



it would be a terrible terrible disaster for BB

Pissy pants Charlotte won, as did middle aged disaster Denise Welch.

BB is fine.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think you should count disabled people, gay people, and transgender people as POC because they are also discriminated against small minorities.

Disabled, gay and transgender people are all People Of Colour?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Disabled, gay and transgender people are all People Of Colour?

yes. we are very colorful people. black isn't even a color, it's the lack of color, optically speaking.

[billy123]

"Social ramifications" I think you might be slightly over thinking and over estimating a chavvy tv show. #Perspective

[Jamie89]

It's exciting to think that in a couple of days we could see BB history being made, and I can't think of anyone more deserving of that accolade than Tiffany.

[Jamie89]

Also, it won't just mean a lot in terms of the shows past, but it will change the average viewers perception of what a winner is, what 'type' of person we expect a winner to be, which may affect future series in terms of how people vote. For example, people always say things like "a black woman could never win" etc etc, and although I totally get where people are coming from, I do sometimes think that there's a certain amount of 'self-fulfilling prophecy' in that. Because some people, if they genuinely believe it, may be less inclined to spend their money on what they perceive to be a wasted vote. And also, just the fact that a statement like that (which when you think about it is archaic beyond belief) will no longer be able to be made, after 16 years of it being 'valid', is a huge (albeit belated) step forward for the show and its fans.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

"Social ramifications" I think you might be slightly over thinking and over estimating a chavvy tv show. #Perspective

[sampvt]

Having a blatant liar, cheat and reality hore winning the show is one pretty bad, but her colour isn't that relevant, its all about who she is, not what colour she is. BB or CBB is supposed to be a social EXPERIMENT, not a reality competition to see who is the biggest scam artist. If this poor excuse for a human being wins, it will make Charlotte pissy pants look Mother Theresa and this Towie producer lot has driven the final nail into CBB and probably BB as well. Hardly a victory

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Having a blatant liar, cheat and reality hore winning the show is one pretty bad, but her colour isn't that relevant, its all about who she is, not what colour she is. BB or CBB is supposed to be a social EXPERIMENT, not a reality competition to see who is the biggest scam artist. If this poor excuse for a human being wins, it will make Charlotte pissy pants look Mother Theresa and this Towie producer lot has driven the final nail into CBB and probably BB as well. Hardly a victory

A win should be on merit, not colour

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bobnot

"Social ramifications" I think you might be slightly over thinking and over estimating a chavvy tv show. #Perspective

Indeed

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

black isn't even a color

Kicking the minorities when they're down.

[reece(:]

Tiffany winning is a step forward for future winners!

[wendywillow]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Having a blatant liar, cheat and reality hore winning the show is one pretty bad, but her colour isn't that relevant, its all about who she is, not what colour she is. BB or CBB is supposed to be a social EXPERIMENT, not a reality competition to see who is the biggest scam artist. If this poor excuse for a human being wins, it will make Charlotte pissy pants look Mother Theresa and this Towie producer lot has driven the final nail into CBB and probably BB as well. Hardly a victory

im not sure what half that was about but....social experiment?? its a silly tv show, and has been for years. lets not kid ourselves

[Jake.]

I'm gonna sound really thick but what's POC?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I'm gonna sound really thick but what's POC?

Person of colour

[Jake.]

ohhh okay thanks