[Ninastar]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ap...-idUSKCN0VX2QO

Is it just me who thinks this is ridiculous? This could link the FBI to other terrorists in America who could be a threat to people in surrounding areas... I thought the FBI had the right to look through peoples phones anyway?

[Jack_]

Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.

Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.

Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

Wow

Mind you - can the government say "lol nice, but we're going to make you do it anyway?"

[kirklancaster]

Apple is rotten to the core on this issue. They give me the pip.

[jennyjuniper]

I suppose it's a question of which you value more, privacy or safety? I'll go for safety every time.

[bitontheslide]

The problem that Apple has is that if they built a mechanism that could get round the security of the devices, all their devices are then at risk. Its not something that can apply to only one device. Therefore, the security is then lost on the millions of Apple devices.

I think Apple were correct to say no.

[arista]

It should have been
done in secret, not in Public

[kirklancaster]

If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.

Simple, isn't it?

[Tom4784]

Apple are justified in their response, a tool like that WOULD be abused and it shouldn't exist.

It honestly depresses me how people are so willing to give up their own freedoms when it comes to Terrorism which is ironically what the terrorists want. The FBI is obviously just using this case as an excuse to get their hands on a tool that would allow them to invade anyone's privacy even more so than they do already.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Apple are absolutely right to take a stand against this.

Here's the full letter for anyone who hasn't read it yet:

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

This, the FBI can look through people's phones that's if they can manage to crack an iPhone lock

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.

Simple, isn't it?

But they don't want to create the back door to begin with because it would have consequences beyond this one case.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Apple have such concerns, then THEY themselves should investigate and collate and pass a report of their full findings over to the security services.

Simple, isn't it?

They don't have the methods at the moment to do it, that's why their devices are secure. To change that, they would need to alter their system software to create a back door in it to allow the security to be bypassed. Clearly not something that is sensible to do.

[Livia]

Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.

Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.

Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not to terrorists, paedophiles, criminals and scumbags of all kinds: Apple will protect you while the security services struggle to protect the rest of us.

Never been more glad to have got rid of my iPhone.

It's naive to think that this 'master key' wouldn't be abused. the NSA regularly infringe on people's rights to privacy so why should anyone trust another government agency with a tool that would essentially allow them to hack anyone with an iphone?

It saddens me beyond belief that all it takes is to breath the word 'Terrorists' or 'Peadophiles' and people will be willing to sign their rights away blindly. This master key isn't about stopping terrorism, that's just the excuse to try to convince Apple to create it, governments have been using the terrorist excuse to pull bad **** for years and we let them.

[Northern Monkey]

I can understand Apple's decision.They need their customers to know or atleast think that their personal info is safe when stored in their devices.It would damage their product if people thought the NSA/CIA/FBI had access to it(even though they probably do anyway).If Apple are seen to be giving peoples security away then people would stop buying their products.It is more than likely purely a business decision.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Apple is rotten to the core on this issue. They give me the pip.

Kirk i've been involved in a similar prob - obv no where near as serious but my neighbour died and family along with myself believe his Thai wife has disposed of his will which i witnessed in Feb last year (he passed in April) she changed all his passwords before we got his phone back from the hosp and we believe there was damming info on the phone , we have been to apple who basically told us to piss off ! consequently we are at about the Ł5,000 mark now with solicitors and we are applying to have the will re constructed and that will be about another Ł5,000 before we are finished ! just to stop this evil cow taking everything. Apple have made things so difficult and very expensive.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Kirk i've been involved in a similar prob - obv no where near as serious but my neighbour died and family along with myself believe his Thai wife has disposed of his will which i witnessed in Feb last year (he passed in April) she changed all his passwords before we got his phone back from the hosp and we believe there was damming info on the phone , we have been to apple who basically told us to piss off ! consequently we are at about the Ł5,000 mark now with solicitors and we are applying to have the will re constructed and that will be about another Ł5,000 before we are finished ! just to stop this evil cow taking everything. Apple have made things so difficult and very expensive.

This is disgusting Jax, and surely akin to potential 'aiding and abetting' a crime?

I am sure that allowing a one-off accessing of this phone does not constitute some 'backdoor' threat to Apple's security, and there has to be a way of accessing it.

This company are coming out of all this with definite damage to their reputation in my opinion.

I wish you luck Jax and hope that you nail the devious gold-digging bitch.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But they don't want to create the back door to begin with because it would have consequences beyond this one case.

But EVERYONE has to have a back door Marsh - otherwise how can Keith Lemmon get to 'Bang Them In"?

[bitontheslide]

and yet people take issue when their details get hacked on line, or get morally upset when voice mail messages are hacked. You can't have it both ways

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Apple are justified in their response, a tool like that WOULD be abused and it shouldn't exist.

It honestly depresses me how people are so willing to give up their own freedoms when it comes to Terrorism which is ironically what the terrorists want. The FBI is obviously just using this case as an excuse to get their hands on a tool that would allow them to invade anyone's privacy even more so than they do already.

Exactly Dezzy, I (like most people) like my stuff to remain private, I don't think that most people want some strangers using a terrorist threat as an excuse to scrummage through their stuff.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I suppose it's a question of which you value more, privacy or safety? I'll go for safety every time.

Except that if our privacy is at risk then all safety goes out the window.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But EVERYONE has to have a back door Marsh - otherwise how can Keith Lemmon get to 'Bang Them In"?

You filthy minded heathen.

[Livia]

"The FBI says it may have found a way to unlock the San Bernardino attacker's iPhone without Apple's assistance.

A court hearing with Apple scheduled for Tuesday has been postponed at the request of the US Justice Department (DOJ), Apple has confirmed.

The DOJ had ordered Apple to help unlock the phone used by San Bernardino gunman Rizwan Farook.

But Apple has continued to fight the order, saying it would set a "dangerous precedent".

Rizwan Farook and his wife killed 14 people in San Bernardino, California, last December before police fatally shot them."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35868322

Bad news for Apple and terrorists everywhere.

[Tom4784]

Awful news.

It really bothers me how people can side with the FBI in this issue. We're lucky to have the freedoms and privacy we have yet people are willing to give it up for a false sense of security. People take their rights for granted and it's sickening, countless people have died for us to have the freedoms we do, to welcome news like this is to piss on their sacrifice.