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Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes and you can probably do the same with the rise of Adele too

Nonsense LT. Yawn.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nonsense LT. Yawn.

" I could write a lengthy post comparing Hitler to a banana sundae, if the mood were to strike."

Dont yawn TS, pay attention

especially to your own posts.....

arista · 07-03-2016, 12:21 PM

"Trump's ideals are worrying enough in their own right/his egotism"

Ammi
not for those backing President Trump

billy123 · 07-03-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes and you can probably do the same with the rise of Adele too

Adele is sexy facism isnt.

Sexy

Not Sexy

Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 12:22 PM

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Jesus TS, its the lazy AH comparisons that spawned it ffs

Lazy Hitler comparisons are grounds for talking about Godwin. Yes. That does not mean that ANY AND ALL Hitler comparisons are null and void. As I said, if they are elaborated upon then they are perfectly valid.

They have the same set up (a proud, powerful country feeling recently downtrodden). They have gained adoration on the same principles (patriotism, economic promises and xenophobia).

The very foundations of their political platforms have direct similarities? That's in no way saying that the end game or outcome will be or ever was likely to be the same. I just can't figure out why it's supposed to be off limits to draw these obvious comparisons, or why bleating "Godwin!!" is any more valid than bleating "Hitler!!".

I guess maybe it's because it might offend someone, or upset the graves of some respected ancestors, or a Jew or something.

For those of us who don't care about any of that ****, the arbitrary implied censorship can be a bit frustrating.

Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" I could write a lengthy post comparing Hitler to a banana sundae, if the mood were to strike."

Dont yawn TS, pay attention

especially to your own posts.....

... I could compare Adele to Hitler. I could not examine the rise of Adele and come away with Hitler tease. And I'm the one not reading? *tut*

I'm genuinely concerned that you've been on a several week long bender LT, you're all over the place atm

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LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bobnot

Adele is sexy facism isnt.

Sexy

Not Sexy

good bob I am glad you can now see that silly comparisons are wrong and unhelpful. Thankyou

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

... I could compare Adele to Hitler. I could not examine the rise of Adele and come away with Hitler tease. And I'm the one not reading? *tut*

I'm genuinely concerned that you've been on a several week long bender LT, you're all over the place atm

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personal attacks rather tell their own tale TS now dont they...

Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

personal attacks rather tell their own tale TS now dont they...

It's not a personal attack LT I'm genuinely confused.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not a personal attack LT I'm genuinely confused.

maybe you are ill?

Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

maybe you are ill?

I actually am a ****ing mess, I have a serious chest infection, sinusitis and conjunctivitis. I look like the walking dead. I've also barely eaten for like 3 days, because I can't taste anything and what's the point in eating if you can't taste?? Nourishment? Pff.

BUT that doesn't mean that I can't see when something is amiss, through my red, crusty eye holes...

Z · 07-03-2016, 12:48 PM

I can see the comparisons of rousing popular support from a disgruntled population but that's about where it ends - Donald Trump's campaign is built upon his celebrity and outspoken take no prisoners attitude, the type of man who will not back down from an idea once he's expressed it. He has a like it or lump it, marmite type of public persona - some people love his unfiltered attitude, others find him deplorable. He was a bit of a novelty before he entered the Presidential nomination race and now people are retrospectively trying to add all these horrible attributes to him that they wouldn't have before, they're just trying to discredit him. I don't think he will be elected the next President of the United States but that's neither here nor there.

Adolf Hitler began his political career by blaming Jews for the ills of society, yes, but he then worked his way up to leading the country through actual policies that people could vote for, his actual leadership skills are quietly applauded by anybody who can look past the obvious glaring atrocities his leadership were responsible for and while he led his nation into a war it couldn't win and war crimes that will always have an infamous legacy in German politics, the combination of factors that led him to that point would be significantly harder to repeat today in a world filled with unions and members only organisations that constrain the Western world from repeating the horrors of the past. That's not to say that horrific human rights situations can't or don't happen (they have continued to happen on a regular basis since World War II, after all) but a rampant xenophobe won't be able to commit Hitler-esque atrocities. Do people really think Donald Trump is going to open up gulags and start purging anyone brown from American soil, or do they just see an idiot and cry extremist? It's a bit of a disservice to Adolf Hitler to compare Donald Trump to him; Hitler knew exactly what he was doing and was a very measured, considered man. Donald Trump is none of those things.

I can't believe I just defended Adolf Hitler.

Shaun · 07-03-2016, 01:22 PM

Yeah I'd identify Trump as more of a cult leader than a fascist... his personality/wealth/ubiquitous media presence is just snowballing votes from people that are happy to fix the blame of everything that's wrong with America right now on external factors. Without thinking about it too much. Because y'know, Murrica.

billy123 · 07-03-2016, 01:48 PM

Is this in chat and games yet ?

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 03:34 PM

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Is this in chat and games yet ?

Making you feel a little vulnerable bob?

arista · 07-03-2016, 03:39 PM

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Yeah I'd identify Trump as more of a cult leader than a fascist... his personality/wealth/ubiquitous media presence is just snowballing votes from people that are happy to fix the blame of everything that's wrong with America right now on external factors. Without thinking about it too much. Because y'know, Murrica.

Good Points Shaun

the truth · 07-03-2016, 05:05 PM

the closest weve seen to hitler in recent years is labour leader tony blair...killed a million innocent people on a pack of lies, had a pr master of propaganda running his cabinet, didn't even arm his own troops properly, ignored the democratic claims of millions to avoid war. there were loads of sub plots too, people who mysteriously died like robin cook, minutes of meetings and documents missing or covered up...he went on to even gain enormous finance recompense for his illegal war. vile sub human creature who has in effect left a legacy of mass world wide terrorism

Kizzy · 07-03-2016, 06:04 PM

I think money has gone to his head as has power, those two things could make for a very dangerous combination. The wrong people whispering in his ear and yes I see catastrophe.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 07:51 PM

i remember when absolutely no one thought crap actor Ronald Reagan could be president

plus ca change

DemolitionRed · 07-03-2016, 08:10 PM

I read an article in the Huffington Post with the exact same headline. I just located it again http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_9334668.html

The comments were interesting. I especially agree with Joe Phillips who said of the author:

"By your logic we can never make comparisons. The demagoguery being used by Trump needs to be called out for what it is and is far more dangerous than just some crude rhetoric. Violent destructive movements start somewhere, and it starts by appealing the worst of who we are. Where it can snowball no one knows for sure. It's far better to take a serious and cautious look at what people are saying and doing. Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route. It's not hate speech raising concerns over eerie parallels."

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2016, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I read an article in the Huffington Post with the exact same headline. I just located it again http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_9334668.html

The comments were interesting. I especially agree with Joe Phillips who said of the author:

"By your logic we can never make comparisons. The demagoguery being used by Trump needs to be called out for what it is and is far more dangerous than just some crude rhetoric. Violent destructive movements start somewhere, and it starts by appealing the worst of who we are. Where it can snowball no one knows for sure. It's far better to take a serious and cautious look at what people are saying and doing. Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route. It's not hate speech raising concerns over eerie parallels."

"Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route"

is he a mind reader or can he back that up with evidence?

Toy Soldier · 07-03-2016, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Germans did not take Hitler serious until it was too late, those who saw the danger larger took the silent route"

is he a mind reader or can he back that up with evidence?

... Is this a serious comment? You believe that the German people knew what Hitler's end game was when he was on the rise? Oh yeah. They were just like "yay woohoo let's do it".

the truth · 08-03-2016, 01:52 AM

we didn't stop tony blair, how did you expect the germans to stop hitler

kirklancaster · 08-03-2016, 06:55 AM

ADELE HITLER:

""GUTEN ABEND.... Unt here iz my latest song, a cover of zat Burt Bacharach classic about German Paratroopers invading a Somerset town - "Rhinetroops Are Falling On Minehead"

I love this thread.