[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Hmmmmm, One has to wonder if he would have resigned had the PIP fiasco not failed.
Looks more to me like the perfect time for his excuse to fire shots at the opposition in the EU Brexit campaign.
Getting more interesting by the day.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

David Cameron has always had the power to hire and fire his cabinet, so he must have been in support of the IDS era policy decisions. I don't believe for one moment that IDS was purely a mouthpiece however, he has been a major contributor to policy since joining the cabinet.

As to the timing of his resignation, the stars aligned and he saw an opportunity to make political capital from it, whether that be trying to paint himself in a better light or adding weight to brexit, it really doesn't matter, he saw an opportunity that best served himself (not the country i might add)

Thatcher at her most arrogant would not have had the balls to try and implement what this government are doing. If it was one instance that they misread, I could let them away with it, but they are willfully targeting the disadvantaged, and that has to stop.

He has done this for himself no one else

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So IDS was really just the 'fall guy'?

Not in my opinion, this may have been a step too far but he allowed it all to go ahead at the budget and I believe it is the really big outcry this time that has made him think his position.

He 'is', in my view, the architect of the previous heartless cuts and new conditions as to criteria for claiming benefits.
I still don't see him as a fall guy, for me he has presided over the most despicable of cutting to the sick and disabled and never wanted to move from work and pensions either, so happy was he then with what he was doing.

However, yes,those things could only be done with the support of the PM and the Chancellor, whose hands in that case are as filthy on these attacks on the sick and disabled just as his are.

[Ammi]

..inevitably when it all starts to fall apart, it's every one for themselves and trying for damage limitation....

[joeysteele]

Let's hope his replacement Stephen Crabb takes the same line as IDS on this round of cuts and changes to criteria too.

I hoped for better as to the NHS when Hunt replaced Lansley but am massively disappointed with Hunt.

Crabb is one of the better Conservative MPs in my view but it depends now on what he will be willing to accept to impress the other hard hearts of the PM and those in the Cabinet.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Let's hope his replacement Stephen Crabb takes the same line as IDS on this round of cuts and changes to criteria too.

I hoped for better as to the NHS when Hunt replaced Lansley but am massively disappointed with Hunt.

Crabb is one of the better Conservative MPs in my view but it depends now on what he will be willing to accept to impress the other hard hearts of the PM and those in the Cabinet.

Yes Steve Crab , seems good .
Watched him on Daily Politics (BBC2HD)
SkyNewsHD Live Debates and Ch4HD News alot

http://news.sky.com/story/1663002/st...n-duncan-smith

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Steve Crab , seems good .
Watched him on Daily Politics (BBC2HD)
SkyNewsHD Live Debates and Ch4HD News alot

http://news.sky.com/story/1663002/st...n-duncan-smith

I like him,(at present anyway), I think he and Matt Hancock could be 2 rising stars to watch in the Conservative party.

[LeatherTrumpet]

spitting image would had a field day with IDS

[MTVN]

The Tory MP for Stevenage is very happy about this news:

I am sorry, but I will not be shedding any tears for the evangelical, aggressive and routinely failing welfare reforms that were the personal fiefdom of the secretary of state for DWP.

http://www.stephen-mcpartland.com/ne...-reforms-right

It looks like IDS' main grievance is a bruised ego, he feels messed around by the confusion over the disability cuts in the last couple of days and was fed up of Osborne. No doubt he'll now become quite a big thorn in the governments side and will especially become a lot more forceful pushing for Brexit.

[MTVN]

IDS will be on Marr tomorrow morning

[Kazanne]

IDS is imo a turncoat and simply to benefit himself,not anyone else ,his bleating that the cuts have gone too far as his reason is tosh,he wants out of the EU so this makes it easier for him. The government were already looking into the disability cuts,so his excuse that they are the reason is lame to say the least,with friends like that ,who needs enemies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

IDS will be on Marr tomorrow morning

How Nice

[DemolitionRed]

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...d_Tory_revolt/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...d_Tory_revolt/

I'de rather have a government that listens and does a UTurn on unpopular decisions, than one that carries on regardless just to save face..

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Osborne is doing a u-turn on the PIP changes, and the idea is being "kicked into the long grass".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...d_Tory_revolt/

Yeah, so it was DWP plan, yet IDS uses it as an čxcuse to resign.
Wondering if he was actuŕlly pushed now dűe to its failure"

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yeah, so it was DWP plan, yet IDS uses it as an čxcuse to resign.
Wondering if he was actuŕlly pushed now dűe to its failure"

Everything starts at the top and works downwards. It was only yesterday that Osborne announced they would not be backing down. Whilst I wholeheartedly agree that IDS is likely pulling out because of Brexit, allowing Osborne & Cameron to take partial blame for these ruthless cuts was the right move.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'de rather have a government that listens and does a UTurn on unpopular decisions, than one that carries on regardless just to save face..

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

Still better than going ahead regardless,none of us KNOW what was said so mute point.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Still better than going ahead regardless,none of us KNOW what was said so mute point.

No but then we could say, why debate anything at all.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

This sounds most plausible.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne didn't sit down and go "Aww bless...we really can't take our debt out on the most vulnerable in society. What a mean man Ian Duncan Smith is".

They didn't have a choice because if they didn't do a U turn on PIP payments, they would be defeated in the House of Commons and had to face yet more embarrassment.

Dead right, they had no choice, there were thankfully a good few of the decent Conservative MPs left who were lining up to defeat this move.

If Osborne had believed he could get these new proposals through Parliament and more to the point had there been no outcry from public sources too,then he and this PM would have pushed for it.

They haven't listened at all,all they have done is ensure they do not suffer an embarrassing defeat.
To get 2 great moments in one day is the really great thing for me as to this, the first, that these rotten proposals, that should never have been thought of, never mind brought forward,are being kicked into the long grass,
Then secondly, the truly rotten Ian Duncan Smith is at last gone from a position he should never have been appointed to in the first place.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

IDS is imo a turncoat and simply to benefit himself,not anyone else ,his bleating that the cuts have gone too far as his reason is tosh,he wants out of the EU so this makes it easier for him. The government were already looking into the disability cuts,so his excuse that they are the reason is lame to say the least,with friends like that ,who needs enemies.

I certainly don't believe for one second he has found a new caring for the sick and disabled after over 5 years of having none at all.

I can also go along with it having something to do with the EU and his determination to get the UK out.
I was always concerned at just what horrors he would like to be doing without any kind of overseeing and shackling from the EU as to social policy.

If he succeeds along with others and there is an 'out' vote in the referendum, then as soon as Cameron and now it appears likely Osborne go too in that scenario,I can see this creep worming his way back again into govt under whatever leader there then will be in that aftermath of that result.

Also though his own flagship policy of Universal Credit, is costing so much and way behind schedule too that he may have been told that may well be looked at again too and could be,(hopefully in my view), folded up.

[DemolitionRed]

He's a just a rat who either jumped or was pushed from a sinking ship.

The thing is, the UN investigation is still on going for grave violations to the rights of disabled people, so he either got out now before the UN investigation could further damage his reputation or he was pushed by Osborne and Cameron so they can put all the blame on him.

[DemolitionRed]

So are we now witnessing the Tory government falling apart? I somehow doubt Cameron and Osborne are sleeping well in their beds at the moment.

Personally I'm enjoying the Tory rebellion because its restored some of my faith in the conservative party. When the think tanks can stand up and say, enough is enough, we can reassure ourselves that there is a human side to this party.

[VintageBB]

I redesigned my cabinet today Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by VintageBB

I redesigned my cabinet today Sorry, couldn't resist.

Is it Shabby chic ?