[kirklancaster]

Does Canadian Muslim activist Raheel Raza speak 'The Truth Which Dare Not Speak Its Name'? Or is she just Racist, Islamophobic and Xenophobic?

Opinions welcome.

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[Kizzy]

Haven't British forces put off putting boots on the ground against daesh due to that battle being fought by Muslims?

[Jamie89]

She doesn't strike me as being racist at all, she has good intent, and the video certainly made me appreciate the value of having an open dialogue about Islam without people being afraid of being dismissed as islamophobic.

I think though that the main reason conversations often turn into arguments about racism is because a lot of the time it's all Muslims that are generalised. We see and hear so often Muslims being demonised that it's sort of instinctive for a lot of people to recoil away from that and therefore dismiss the possible merits in what's being said. So there's fault on both sides here. Yes there are many people who aren't being fully open in their dialogue, but I think a lot of the time that is a reaction to some of the people on the other side who go too far in their attacks on Muslim people.

Raheel does a great job here of avoiding the usual generalisations and she puts her points across very well and it's a very powerful video as a result which made me think a lot. But honestly, when these conversations arise it's very rare that they start from the same kind of reasoned mentality that Raheen presents. That's not a comment about anyone on the forum by the way, but generally in the media and the usual portrayal of Muslim people.

There's a couple of things that I think are important to consider though. The stats that are often presented about how many Muslims believe certain things (e.g. 53% in favour of sharia law to be the law of the land), I think it's just as important to consider how these figures are changing. That's not to dismiss the problem that exists, but if figures like this are reducing then it shows that it's not the incurable danger that a lot of people suggest it is. Figures like this often get presented alongside information like 'the number of Muslims are growing rapidly' and so by associating those facts, it suggests a new fact of 'the number of Muslims who believe sharia law should be the law of the land, is growing rapidly'. But it's very possible that although the number of Muslims is growing, at the same time the number of Muslims who hold extreme views is reducing. I don't know if that's true/how true that is/what the stats on it are, though, because that information is rarely presented. The reason I bring this up is because rather than just discussing the problem that exists, it's also important to look at the solutions, and another reason a lot of people recoil at these discussions and possibly aren't frank about the issues, is because too often suggested it's that the solution is to reject Muslims completely, which of course a lot of people aren't comfortable with so it automatically starts the conversation off at a place of attack and defense.

As Raheel said at the start of the video, 'This is not a conversation about Islam, it's a conversation about the growing threat of radical Islam'. So like I said before, there's probably guilt on both sides here, the side that sometimes generalises all of Islam, and the side that perhaps doesn't always show full appreciation for the problems that exist.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm with Jamie on this, instead of generalising all Muslims as one evil entity, we should instead be trying to stop the extreme elements of the Religion and not isolate the sane Muslims that might help us when the time comes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm with Jamie on this, instead of generalising all Muslims as one evil entity, we should instead be trying to stop the extreme elements of the Religion and not isolate the sane Muslims that might help us when the time comes.

Absolutely right.

[DemolitionRed]

I think this is a fantastic video and I agree with everything she says and everything Jamie says.

There is nothing I fear more than hatred because hatred has no solution. Talking about these huge issues is the way forward, demonizing or being overly protective just causes a rift between those of us who need to talk about it.

[Cherie]

I can't open the video Kirk

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't open the video Kirk

Try this my love.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce9_1449896186

[Cherie]

Thank you

[Kizzy]

'Ahmadiyya Muslim leaders in Glasgow have condemned a statement by the man accused of the murder of shopkeeper Asad Shah.

Known for their active missionary work and peaceful engagement with members of other faiths, Ahmadiyya Muslims like Mr Shah often face persecution within Islamic communities.

"It is the firm belief of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community that all people should be able to peacefully practice their faith without fear of persecution or violence.

"We urge all religious bodies, especially Muslim leaders and Imams, to come out in public to condemn this statement made by Tanveer Ahmed, so that all Muslims know this is never acceptable in Islam. This will go a long way to help eliminate all extremists."

Worldwide, an estimated 20 million Ahmadi Muslims face persecution for their beliefs.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6975001.html

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

Hmm they are asking for crowdfunding, as important as this work is why are they having to rely on donations to spread the word? :/

Youtube video

[Cherie]

She raises many points which in our unfortunate times other people cannot point out without being called racist etc, what a strange place the world in where free speech is no longer possible unless you tick a certain box