[waterhog]

doctor doctor he really is a sick C- .UNT 26.04.16



the NHS is modernizing

a 24-7 proposal is calculating

everyone no's the conservative party are economizing

but is it right on people they are operating.

its perfect as it is running

of the world we are the envy

the conservative party we should be gunning

for giving us this NHS levy.

none of them wait in queue

its a phone call to the hospital quack

remember when your relatives turn blue

move out the way we have a paying fast track.

the NHS is facing a emergency

it is the first time in history

how about a all out conservative redundancy

is lady Hunt wishing she had a hysterectomy.

we had the expense scandal

but the system they are still draining

its a travesty doctors don't get the same handle

my heart ache is straining.

i am going on strike

no more village poetry to be blunt

will highgate residents like

the buck stops at that jeremy c.-unt.

[Kizzy]

I really hope today is not used against junior drs, one death and they'll spin it to make believe this strike was the cause :/

[joeysteele]

I am today going to support my Cousin for a few hours who is on strike and who is a Junior Doctor.
Jeremy Hunt is a total disgrace and so is this PM for allowing him to be too.

I hope people stick with the Junior Doctors as to support in the main,this contract should not be imposed,no way.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am today going to support my Cousin for a few hours who is on strike and who is a Junior Doctor.
Jeremy Hunt is a total disgrace and so is this PM for allowing him to be too.

I hope people stick with the Junior Doctors as to support in the main,this contract should not be imposed,no way.

the doctors will have blood on their hands as will hunt

I am against this strike. Innocent people will suffer and possibly die. Both sides should be ashamed its come to this. This macho posturing will not move anything forward either. A huge part of the problem undiscussed is the 2004 contract that allos 90% of gp's to not work out of hours at all, evenings or weekends. Thus putting so much more pressure on hospital doctors.




Another issue in wales we seem very complacent and a little smug over this imo....the reality is, in wales our waiting times are behind England on almost all areas, in some cases a long way behind...Behind in diagnosis and in treatment and operations... from heart surgery, to cancer overall, head injuries, pneumonia, hernias. We are marginally quicker dealing with kidney transplants and we have free prescriptions, everything else we are behind. Hip operations average 3 times as long waiting as in England, the wait can be between 9 months and up to 2 years in some cases, Our ambulance waiting times are also behind.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644




You can also choose a hospital in England online which is a brilliant way to make the system more flexible to the needs of the patients....why on earth don't we have that in wales? why on earth aren't we even talking about it? This system looks brilliant




http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/902.aspx...CategoryID=162







Wales under labour, has a very rigid out of date booking system. this is the same for ambulances. I recall one ambulance driver collected me to go to hospital one day. I told him Id rung to cancel. he came back the next week I told him again id cancelled I don't need any ambulance any more. he said it was easier for the ambulance driver to turn up at the addresses rather than try and cancel it as the cancellation process was so complex?

INSANE




I fear the people running nhs wales are complacent , my little dealings with the trust left me with zero confidence in those people in charge

[Kazanne]

Well I'm sorry , imo , a doctor or nurse takes on that role simply because they want to care and help sick people ,they are not destitute , lots of people work just as long and hard some more so without holding the country to ransom, lots of money is spent training them up and I agree they work hard , but really their offer isn't so bad when you consider all that's wasted in the NHS, so do they care about people or just want as much as they can get , let them go see how doctors cope in third world countries,then maybe they will see,their lot isn't so bad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hog another x-rated thread from you

shocking

[lostalex]

it's truly disgusting that these people would hold people hostage in this industry. They are paid handsomely. They are truly out of touch and want to be treated like little princes and princesses. They need to lose their licenses. let them go practice their medicine in russia or ghana, there should be no place for these people to practice medicine in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm sorry , imo , a doctor or nurse takes on that role simply because they want to care and help sick people ,they are not destitute , lots of people work just as long and hard some more so without holding the country to ransom, lots of money is spent training them up and I agree they work hard , but really their offer isn't so bad when you consider all that's wasted in the NHS, so do they care about people or just want as much as they can get , let them go see how doctors cope in third world countries,then maybe they will see,their lot isn't so bad.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I expect to be lambasted and lashed in here LT,so thanks for that at least I am not alone

[smudgie]

If we want to go forward and have a full 7 day a week NHS service then compromise has to be sought.
This must be the tip of the iceberg, are we going to have doctors surgeries and dentist open on a weekend as well?
All health workers wages should be worked out on the same scale as the fire service and police service. Any increments/enhancements they are entitled to for overtime and weekend work should be on a similar scale.

It would be interesting to have the full report of what is actually on offer to read through as against all this baloney about how it is the ruination of the NHS when it really appears to boil down to a pay claim for weekend hours.
The union has a lot to answer for, it's nice to see plenty of junior doctors crossing the picket lines and carrying on as normal this morning.

[the truth]

some of these junior doctors are scum. get out of europe and recruit more indian doctors and asian nurses

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If we want to go forward and have a full 7 day a week NHS service then compromise has to be sought.
This must be the tip of the iceberg, are we going to have doctors surgeries and dentist open on a weekend as well?
All health workers wages should be worked out on the same scale as the fire service and police service. Any increments/enhancements they are entitled to for overtime and weekend work should be on a similar scale.

It would be interesting to have the full report of what is actually on offer to read through as against all this baloney about how it is the ruination of the NHS when it really appears to boil down to a pay claim for weekend hours.
The union has a lot to answer for, it's nice to see plenty of junior doctors crossing the picket lines and carrying on as normal this morning.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I expect to be lambasted and lashed in here LT,so thanks for that at least I am not alone

Kaz you know I always have your back


Its how i get the front that i am working on

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kaz you know I always have your back


Its how i get the front that i am working on

Oh LT,the front is much like the back

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh LT,the front is much like the back

pics to pm please

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

pics to pm please

now we've taken the thread off topic again.lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

now we've taken the thread off topic again.lol

woops



Bloody work-shy doctors

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

woops



Bloody work-shy doctors

Yes,spare a thought for the people who do manual ,heavy,outdoor work to name a few ,I wonder how their wages compare?

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hog another x-rated thread from you

shocking

every now and then I can be a bad man but seriously can you think of a better word that rhymes with HUNT that sums up what he is doing.

I rest my case LT.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I'm sorry , imo , a doctor or nurse takes on that role simply because they want to care and help sick people ,they are not destitute , lots of people work just as long and hard some more so without holding the country to ransom, lots of money is spent training them up and I agree they work hard , but really their offer isn't so bad when you consider all that's wasted in the NHS, so do they care about people or just want as much as they can get , let them go see how doctors cope in third world countries,then maybe they will see,their lot isn't so bad.

Just a thought an old lady said to me while I was standing with my Cousin today out in that freezing cold but in my view right action by him and them..

She said, if there was someone who ran a fleet of taxis and forced their staff to drive cars that were not roadworthy and therefore dangerous,wouldn't the drivers be right to refuse to drive them.
So why when the Junior Doctors and even the Consultants feel this contract is dangerous for both staff and patients should they be forced to work it.


Why does it need to be imposed against the junior Doctors will, there was a suggestion from the main opposition parties put forward,yet this Health secretary dismisses all.

My Cousin for instance cares passionately about his profession, and his Patients.
Consultants were manning the emergency areas today anyway,
The Junior Doctors believe in the long run, this contract will put at risk may Patients and in fact tire them more too.

This is chaos of this govts making and if this contract is imposed, my Cousin is quitting the NHS,,(I actually said I hope he does because if this is imposed then the UK will deserve all it will lose as to lost Doctors,as it seems from listening to other Doctors today many more will then follow doing that too and leave for other Countries or even other professions.

Imposing this contract and not taking the Junior Doctors along with reforms but instead dictating to them, will very likely lose so many Doctors, that Hunt and this govt will be stretched to provide a 4 day week care let alone 7 days a week.

The govt is a disgrace on this issue, I never believed this govt would have the NHS best interests at heart.
Just as was the case with my own Cousin,all the Doctors I stood with today were there with a great sadness that their expertise was being undervalued, unappreciated and their concerns dismissed by one very ignorant man,Jeremy Hunt.

I was really heartened today,both for myself and my Cousin, that of all the people who passed us and commented, and moreso those who stood to talk to us,that only 3 thought the Doctors were wrong.
I thank all powers that be for that.

Also as a footnote, my Cousin as was other Doctors on strike today, joining the picket lines at just after 8am after working all night.
he has tomorrow off but will be back on duty again on Wednesday night again to work all through the night,hardly workshy at all.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Just a thought an old lady said to me while I was standing with my Cousin today out in that freezing cold but in my view right action by him and them..

She said, if there was someone who ran a fleet of taxis and forced their staff to drive cars that were not roadworthy and therefore dangerous,wouldn't the drivers be right to refuse to drive them.
So why when the Junior Doctors and even the Consultants feel this contract is dangerous for both staff and patients should they be forced to work it.


Why does it need to be imposed against the junior Doctors will, there was a suggestion from the main opposition parties put forward,yet this Health secretary dismisses all.

My Cousin for instance cares passionately about his profession, and his Patients.
Consultants were manning the emergency areas today anyway,
The Junior Doctors believe in the long run, this contract will put at risk may Patients and in fact tire them more too.

This is chaos of this govts making and if this contract is imposed, my Cousin is quitting the NHS,,(I actually said I hope he does because if this is imposed then the UK will deserve all it will lose as to lost Doctors,as it seems from listening to other Doctors today many more will then follow doing that too and leave for other Countries or even other professions.

Imposing this contract and not taking the Junior Doctors along with reforms but instead dictating to them, will very likely lose so many Doctors, that Hunt and this govt will be stretched to provide a 4 day week care let alone 7 days a week.

The govt is a disgrace on this issue, I never believed this govt would have the NHS best interests at heart.
Just as was the case with my own Cousin,all the Doctors I stood with today were there with a great sadness that their expertise was being undervalued, unappreciated and their concerns dismissed by one very ignorant man,Jeremy Hunt.

I was really heartened today,both for myself and my Cousin, that of all the people who passed us and commented, and moreso those who stood to talk to us,that only 3 thought the Doctors were wrong.
I thank all powers that be for that.

Also as a footnote, my Cousin as was other Doctors on strike today, joining the picket lines at just after 8am after working all night.
he has tomorrow off but will be back on duty again on Wednesday night again to work all through the night,hardly workshy at all.

You are plain wrong

Labour are a disgrace. the nhs had world record levels of filth and mrsa , the tories have wiped that out
the labour nhs in wales is behind on everything, light years behind the tory nhs in England....hip operations take 2 years in wales, its 4 months maximum in England

I am against this strike. Innocent people will suffer and possibly die. Both sides should be ashamed its come to this. This macho posturing will not move anything forward either. A huge part of the problem undiscussed is the 2004 contract that allos 90% of gp's to not work out of hours at all, evenings or weekends. Thus putting so much more pressure on hospital doctors.

Another issue in wales we seem very complacent and a little smug over this imo....the reality is, in wales our waiting times are behind England on almost all areas, in some cases a long way behind...Behind in diagnosis and in treatment and operations... from heart surgery, to cancer overall, head injuries, pneumonia, hernias. We are marginally quicker dealing with kidney transplants and we have free prescriptions, everything else we are behind. Hip operations average 3 times as long waiting as in England, the wait can be between 9 months and up to 2 years in some cases, Our ambulance waiting times are also behind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

You can also choose a hospital in England online which is a brilliant way to make the system more flexible to the needs of the patients....why on earth don't we have that in wales? why on earth aren't we even talking about it? This system looks brilliant

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/902.aspx...CategoryID=162


We have a very rigid out of date booking system. this is the same for ambulances. I recall one ambulance driver collected me to go to hospital one day. I told him Id rung to cancel. he came back the next week I told him again id cancelled I don't need any ambulance any more. he said it was easier for the ambulance driver to turn up at the addresses rather than try and cancel it as the cancellation process was so complex?
INSANE

I fear the people running nhs wales are complacent , my little dealings with the trust left me with zero confidence in those people in charge

[joeysteele]

[QUOTE=the truth;8630155]You are plain wrong

Labour are a disgrace. the nhs had world record levels of filth and mrsa , the tories have wiped that out
the labour nhs in wales is behind on everything, light years behind the tory nhs in England....hip operations take 2 years in wales, its 4 months maximum in England

I am against this strike. Innocent people will suffer and possibly die. Both sides should be ashamed its come to this. This macho posturing will not move anything forward either. A huge part of the problem undiscussed is the 2004 contract that allos 90% of gp's to not work out of hours at all, evenings or weekends. Thus putting so much more pressure on hospital doctors.

Another issue in wales we seem very complacent and a little smug over this imo....the reality is, in wales our waiting times are behind England on almost all areas, in some cases a long way behind...Behind in diagnosis and in treatment and operations... from heart surgery, to cancer overall, head injuries, pneumonia, hernias. We are marginally quicker dealing with kidney transplants and we have free prescriptions, everything else we are behind. Hip operations average 3 times as long waiting as in England, the wait can be between 9 months and up to 2 years in some cases, Our ambulance waiting times are also behind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

You can also choose a hospital in England online which is a brilliant way to make the system more flexible to the needs of the patients....why on earth don't we have that in wales? why on earth aren't we even talking about it? This system looks brilliant

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/902.aspx...CategoryID=162


We have a very rigid out of date booking system. this is the same for ambulances. I recall one ambulance driver collected me to go to hospital one day. I told him Id rung to cancel. he came back the next week I told him again id cancelled I don't need any ambulance any more. he said it was easier for the ambulance driver to turn up at the addresses rather than try and cancel it as the cancellation process was so complex?
INSANE


You were not there with the junior Doctors as I was today and thankfully your view is not shared by the public in England overall.
You are the one that is wrong here in my view as to this contract as indeed with respect,you are as to some other issues on the NHS.

I appreciate actually that you have had bad experiences with the NHS however so see it from a different perspective to myself..

[the truth]

[QUOTE=joeysteele;8630159]

Originally Posted by the truth

You are plain wrong

Labour are a disgrace. the nhs had world record levels of filth and mrsa , the tories have wiped that out
the labour nhs in wales is behind on everything, light years behind the tory nhs in England....hip operations take 2 years in wales, its 4 months maximum in England

I am against this strike. Innocent people will suffer and possibly die. Both sides should be ashamed its come to this. This macho posturing will not move anything forward either. A huge part of the problem undiscussed is the 2004 contract that allos 90% of gp's to not work out of hours at all, evenings or weekends. Thus putting so much more pressure on hospital doctors.

Another issue in wales we seem very complacent and a little smug over this imo....the reality is, in wales our waiting times are behind England on almost all areas, in some cases a long way behind...Behind in diagnosis and in treatment and operations... from heart surgery, to cancer overall, head injuries, pneumonia, hernias. We are marginally quicker dealing with kidney transplants and we have free prescriptions, everything else we are behind. Hip operations average 3 times as long waiting as in England, the wait can be between 9 months and up to 2 years in some cases, Our ambulance waiting times are also behind.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

You can also choose a hospital in England online which is a brilliant way to make the system more flexible to the needs of the patients....why on earth don't we have that in wales? why on earth aren't we even talking about it? This system looks brilliant

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/902.aspx...CategoryID=162


We have a very rigid out of date booking system. this is the same for ambulances. I recall one ambulance driver collected me to go to hospital one day. I told him Id rung to cancel. he came back the next week I told him again id cancelled I don't need any ambulance any more. he said it was easier for the ambulance driver to turn up at the addresses rather than try and cancel it as the cancellation process was so complex?
INSANE


You were not there with the junior Doctors as I was today and thankfully your view is not shared by the public in England overall.
You are the one that is wrong here in my view as to this contract as indeed with respect,you are as to some other issues on the NHS.

I appreciate actually that you have had bad experiences with the NHS however so see it from a different perspective to myself..

lol as usual youve ignored all of my points..I on the other hand accept there are massive faults on all sides here...but when you ignore all other points on all other sides, your own opinion becomes irrelevant

[Beso]

all those junior doctors out on the streets protesting should have taken the opportunity of a day in bed if they are so exhausted.

[the truth]

theyre maximum working hours are being reduced from 91 to 72 hours, theyre being more overworked on the old contract? their argument makes no sense