[the truth]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That's the problem with this whole victim culture thing that's going on atm.There are so many feminists trying to say that everything is rape that when real awful rapes do happen they are not taken as seriously because people don't know if it's real or not.Hardcore feminists,in universities especially are destroying their own cause by being idiotic.
Some people will conflate real rape accusations with 'political correctness gone wrong' because the lines have been blurred so much now by this extreme version of feminism.
Feminism was a great and much needed movement but it has turned into a nonsensical man hating monster.Some real common sense needs to be injected into the whole movement so real rapes can be dealt with efficiently and properly and people will take them more seriously.

100% right ...33% of police time is investigating sex allegations , mostly historical. some of the accusations are he touched my bottom in a lift 30 odd years ago. ridiculous nonsense. this takes away time and money from real victims and real cass such as this one. false accusers should rot in prison along with the real rapists out there

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

100% right ...33% of police time is investigating sex allegations , mostly historical. some of the accusations are he touched my bottom in a lift 30 odd years ago. ridiculous nonsense. this takes away time and money from real victims and real cass such as this one. false accusers should rot in prison along with the real rapists out there

mmm I do agree with that, unfortunately in a lot of cases it's extremely difficult to prove either way, mostly it's one persons word against the other

[LeatherTrumpet]

the problem is that rape is a catch-all word that spans this case and forced abduction rape at point to death with a knife over many hours

for example

[Livia]

Rape means being penetrated by a penis against your will. Other charges are add ons.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Rape means being penetrated by a penis against your will. Other charges are add ons.

what about when you wake up and decide that whilst you did last night you dont this morning?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about when you wake up and decide that whilst you did last night you dont this morning?

Clearly that didn't happen in this case though........

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Clearly that didn't happen in this case though........

no but am i right in saying that the girl got so paralytic she passed out outside?


(not that i think this is an invite etc)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no but am i right in saying that the girl got so paralytic she passed out outside?


(not that i think this is an invite etc)

What are you saying then? Yes she got far too drunk, that doesn't mean the guy didn't commit a violent and predatory crime against her

[Tom4784]

What a ridiculous sentence, the judge should definitely be investigated since six months for rape is completely insane.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What are you saying then? Yes she got far too drunk, that doesn't mean the guy didn't commit a violent and predatory crime against her

No its a lesson to all young girls about the dangers of strong drink

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No its a lesson to all young girls about the dangers of strong drink

Getting raped is a lesson? :/

[Tom4784]

It's quite simple, if you don't have consent or the person is incapable of giving consent then it's a crime. It's not her fault for having a drink, it's his fault for choosing to take advantage and rape her.

The lesson here is simple, don't rape people.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Getting raped is a lesson? :/

yes its one of the dangers, as is asphyxiating

But a woman has to be extra careful

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes its one of the dangers, as is asphyxiating

But a woman has to be extra careful

sounds like victim blaming to me

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about when you wake up and decide that whilst you did last night you dont this morning?

Then it's a much more difficult case to prove beyond reasonable doubt. That's not what happened here though. Is it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

sounds like victim blaming to me

No its the reality of life

get paralytic outdoors on your own and bad things can and will happen

[Shaun]

If anything the supposed grey area of consent under the influence of alcohol should be a warning against anyone trying to take advantage of drunk girls/men, not an excuse for what turned out to be rape to have just been "well I didn't know she didn't want it!"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No its the reality of life

get paralytic outdoors on your own and bad things can and will happen

So the guy wasn't responsible for raping her then, she was responsible for giving him the opportunity? I don't get what you're saying here at all, are you saying he deserved the lighter sentence because she was drunk?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So the guy wasn't responsible for raping her then, she was responsible for giving him the opportunity? I don't get what you're saying here at all, are you saying he deserved the lighter sentence because she was drunk?

I am saying neither

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am saying neither

what are you saying then?

[Livia]

Women have to be more responsible about drinking and putting themselves in harms way. That said, you're not allowed to beat or murder someone when they're drunk so I don't see why it should be okay to rape them.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

That said, you're not allowed to beat or murder someone when they're drunk

you haven't met Lucas

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No its the reality of life

get paralytic outdoors on your own and bad things can and will happen

I get your point.We should all take personal responsibility for our own safety.
However that does'nt diminish the responsibility of the person who committed the crime.They have a responsibility to not commit crimes too.
So really the responsibility lies with both parties realistically.In a perfect world we would be able to get as pissed as we like or let our kids play out unsupervised without worry of devastating things happening.Unfortunately it's not a perfect world.
So in short it is stupid to get so pissed you end up unconscious but that doesn't take away any responsibility from the rapist who should face the full wrath of the law.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I made my (now deleted and infracted) Mccann comment not to troll but to make a comparison

2 situations that needed a perp for them to go very wrong

Both situations that were dangerous

1. leaving small children unattended and out of earshot
2. getting so drunk you pas out outside


Bur both situations that 9999/10000 or more happen all over the world and nowt happens

But introduce a perp and it goes very wrong

Both cases do not excuse the perp or the fact the danger was created

I see a parallel and i think its valid, hence why I made it, and not to troll..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Shaun

you haven't met Lucas

Dark. He sounds like my kind of guy...