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Old 17-06-2016, 03:24 AM #76
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The cast is strong enough to go on without marco. House dynamics already seem to be constantly changing and it's only been a week I'm sure they'll all adapt without him and we'll see more interesting things.
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Marco really isn't as big a deal as people are making him out to him he's just an irritating twat he's done his part and now its time for him to go.
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I'm with the majority on the thread he needs to go. Maybe when he does and so stops making everything about him we will get a chance to learn about the other housemates.

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Cleanse the house of its disease girls, do it for Georgina!
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They will start going one after another because they do almost every series. Like I said, quote me and see

You may find him a drain, but by definition he is a character. Most of the discussions on these forums and on social media this series have revolved around him. That is a good thing and one which shouldn't be discouraged. And if there were far better characters in there, they would be getting an edit! You can't say things like that when all we have to go off is the edit itself, we don't have live feed anymore so it's impossible for anyone to speculate on such things

You are letting your personal dislike of him (which I can understand, I'm not saying I like him as a person but there's a difference between people and housemates) get in the way of the logical argument that he should stay for the benefit of the series
I said this in another thread but I'll say it again here.

People like Alex, Jackson etc have no impact on my enjoyment of the show, whereas Marco has a negative impact on my enjoyment on the show. Therefore the logical decision is to evict the one who is making me enjoy the show less, rather than evicting the one who will have no impact on whether I'm enjoying the show or not.
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Keep voting to evict the twat!
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I said this in another thread but I'll say it again here.

People like Alex, Jackson etc have no impact on my enjoyment of the show, whereas Marco has a negative impact on my enjoyment on the show. Therefore the logical decision is to evict the one who is making me enjoy the show less, rather than evicting the one who will have no impact on whether I'm enjoying the show or not.
100% agree - we have to keep marco.
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You seem to keep misinterpreting what I'm saying

I didn't say the series will die upon his eviction, this cast is far too good. I said his eviction will inevitably start the year-on-year decimation through the tradition of integral characters leaving one after the other, which in turn will eventually ruin the series

It is a gradual process
No I'm not missing anything, I addressed it in the first reply that it's just your prediction it'll collapse without him and entertaining housemates will go one after the other. Until it happens really you're

I do not find him interesting or entertaining in the slightest and I think Georgina, Andy and Emma have more potential.
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Every year, there's a bunch of people to tell that the show with collapse if their favorties go....that's never the case!
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No I'm not missing anything, I addressed it in the first reply that it's just your prediction it'll collapse without him and entertaining housemates will go one after the other. Until it happens really you're

I do not find him interesting or entertaining in the slightest and I think Georgina, Andy and Emma have more potential.


a nice but good and honest opinion
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I think the series will die if we keep in people who literally suffocate other people's personalities by insisting they're are the star... What do we end up with when we have people like that on the show for long enough? A series revolving around just one housemate and everyone else just being the supporting character who gets wound up by them then they get evicted. Examples Marc and Helen
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I think the series will die if we keep in people who literally suffocate other people's personalities by insisting they're are the star... What do we end up with when we have people like that on the show for long enough? A series revolving around just one housemate and everyone else just being the supporting character who gets wound up by them then they get evicted. Examples Marc and Helen
Make no mistake, if Marco isn't evicted tonight, I bet you he'll be removed at some point for bad behaviour. Which is gonna get me pissed even more cause that'd mean that someone got evicted for nothing.
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100% agree - we have to keep marco.
Err no, that's not the point I was making at all lmao. Marco needs to go.
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I said this in another thread but I'll say it again here.

People like Alex, Jackson etc have no impact on my enjoyment of the show, whereas Marco has a negative impact on my enjoyment on the show. Therefore the logical decision is to evict the one who is making me enjoy the show less, rather than evicting the one who will have no impact on whether I'm enjoying the show or not.
Exactly. Marco at points has made me angry and unwell simultaneously. This is not a good thing, and he must go.
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lol I'm not reaching in the slightest, I make these same arguments series after series (some of which you've even agreed with in the past) so this shouldn't be news to anybody. I didn't say he was the star of the series because he isn't, but he is one of them and if you think using the voting public as a barometer of who is and who isn't a good housemate is useful, I don't really know what to say tbh

I understand why people hate him as a person, but hateful people make good housemates because they provoke a reaction. Reactions cause discussions and discussions lead to more attention on the show and that can only be a beneficial thing. The only reason this thread exists is because of vote to evict and the awful, illogical voting mentality and patterns it inspires, encouraging people to vote emotively with their hearts rather than their heads

I've already said this cast has plenty of other great housemates so you must have missed that, my point is his eviction will start the yearly BBUK pattern where an integral housemate leaves one after another, and thus eventually the quality of the series will begin to decline. It happens most years and then people complain it's boring and wonder why, I'll be amazed if I'm wrong

As a side note, the 'someone will step up to the plate' argument is always so strange to me...like, why take a gamble on a housemate who may or may not deliver (it doesn't always happen) when there's already one that is? Just seems like an unnecessarily risky move to me
The thing is though, people don't enjoy watching Marco. Why would people want to watch somebody they hate every night? Entertainment is subjective, and clearly, the majority of us think we'd be more entertained by the show if he wasn't there.
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Successful in starting the decimation of yet another series of BBUK, yes
And you just know people will be posting in hindsight how this series started off great and went downhill.
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People should stop acting that Marco is the only good HM when he's basically the only bad one

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No I'm not missing anything, I addressed it in the first reply that it's just your prediction it'll collapse without him and entertaining housemates will go one after the other. Until it happens really you're

I do not find him interesting or entertaining in the slightest and I think Georgina, Andy and Emma have more potential.
Yes you are, because I addressed it in the post you replied to first that I know Marco isn't the only big character this series and the series will not immediately collapse after his eviction, but that it will start the process. You keep implying I think he's the only star and that the series will be over if he's evicted when I've said on several occasions that isn't the case. You are missing the point.

We shall see, but as I keep saying quote me and watch. It happens almost every year and will likely this series too, I'd be amazed if it didn't

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And you just know people will be posting in hindsight how this series started off great and went downhill.
Yep happens every year and people are always bemused as to why it got so boring, but fail to recognise it's often partly their fault

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The thing is though, people don't enjoy watching Marco. Why would people want to watch somebody they hate every night? Entertainment is subjective, and clearly, the majority of us think we'd be more entertained by the show if he wasn't there.
People love to hate people and they love to watch people they hate. It is not a conscious thing or something someone would admit but they do, there's a reason why dramas, films, soaps, plays have both antagonists and protagonists.

The number of people who would stop watching this series because of Marco is extremely low. The number of people who may end up hearing about this series and consider watching because of Marco is higher. And that's because he's a divisive character that sparks discussion which in turn gets the show more attention. The same would not be true of a housemate like Alex or Evelyn, again the number of people who'd stop watching because of them is little if not non-existent, but the number of people who would consider watching because of them is - at present - zero.

It is better to have a strong, hateful opinion on a housemate than none at all. Without these housemates, the show would fall flat on its face (which it often does when several of them leave in succession) and it's just detrimental to its success and indeed future. No idea why any fan of Big Brother would want to sign off on that tbh

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I said this in another thread but I'll say it again here.

People like Alex, Jackson etc have no impact on my enjoyment of the show, whereas Marco has a negative impact on my enjoyment on the show. Therefore the logical decision is to evict the one who is making me enjoy the show less, rather than evicting the one who will have no impact on whether I'm enjoying the show or not.
But you are seeing the show through selfish means rather than for the collective benefit of the series and franchise, granted vote to evict only encourages such emotive, illogical mentalities but still. Surely it's better to have an opinion on a housemate, be it good or bad, than none at all?

Without housemates like Marco we would not have anything to talk about. And a show like Big Brother thrives off discussion on forums like these, on social media and in real life. No divisive and big characters, no discussion, no show.
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There's nothing to talk about with Marco though. It's all just "ugh", "he's gross", "how trashy". If you have a problem with the series having too many dull characters then that's the fault of the casting - it's perfectly possible for there to be big names evicted first and the series carries on to good things. BB7 lost Sezer, Bonnie, Lisa early on and is still regarded as a classic; BB6 lost Lesley & Maxwell quickly; BB13 lost Chris & Lydia.

I can see why there's cause for concern with this series when there's Alex, Jackson, Sam... but I think all of the others are delivering in some capacity/could offer more. Perhaps not Laura but then who knows
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BB13 first few elections were literally all big character and it faired well and is probably one the best c5 seasons
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Bb15 and 16 probably had more tensition and arguments than early c4 seasons but they're still a pickle when you compare the to the likes of bb3 and 2
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