[rex3]

Europeans, mostly Germans, were responsible for the Holocaust of the Jews when 6 million Jews were murdered during World War II.

Instead of the perpetrators being punished by allocating a part of Germany to the surviving victims, Palestine got invaded, no where near Europe and with nothing to do with the Holocaust, the Palestinians are still paying the price for a crime they did not commit.

Palestine is a land for 3 religions (Christians, Muslims and Jews) but is currently ruled by only one of them (Jews). This wrong must be corrected.

Sign this petition at the Prime Ministers website: -

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Free-Palestine/

[easypeasy]

signed.

[rex3]

thanks alot mate, much appreciated.

Brian Haw, the one that has protested for 5-and-half years and still is, outside pariliament, gave me that address for the petition, as soon as i saw his interview on TV I jumped on the Tube and went down to Parliament and bought him BigMac, and started chatin, his a great guy. - his website is : - http://www.parliament-square.org.uk/

[Tanser_Man]

I can never understand the Palestine situation, could you tell me why it is how it is now? Is it a case of Arabs and Jews not being able to get along? I've never looked into it to understand why there is constant fighting and suicide bombings. Any information would be great!

[rex3]

Sure Tanser_Man,

Introduction
First of all I would like to make clear that the people I mention in this, are Zionist-Jews who are getting a Jewish state on other peoples land, whilst there are Traditional Jews out there who know that there holy book, states that there shouldn't be a Israeli state, and that Jews must live along side the people of the world and Judaism is only a religoun. Remember that Palesine was equal with Christians (St, George was Palestinian), Jews and Muslims until all this invasion, by the Zionist-Jews.

Why you wouldn't have understood
Not much people ever understand this subject, because its so distorted via our Biased media (government paid and known world wide to be owned by mostly Jewish people, e.g. the Chairman of the BBC is Michael Grade who is Jewish, he is now the chairman of ITV)

What happened
After the Holocaust, Europe said that there needs to be a seperate land for the survivors of the Holocaust. Europe suprise, suprise said Palestine.

So Europe (Stalin and Resourvelt were both Jews, and so many more big European leaders) invaded Palestine, and year by year the border of the new Israel, grabbed out more Palestinianian land. its been 80 years . Till this day people like Lord Levy (typical Jewish name, who is Jewish) pay people like Tony Blair for there dirty work, hence the "Cash-for-Honours" issue.

Palestinian people have been occupied, restricted access, restricted from there own money, land, reduced food and increased poverty, Just for being there. Palestinians pay there Taxes to Israel, they only have access to rationed food that Israel supplies, they can hardly travel from there own towns, without permission. They are subject to rape, secret beatings, murders by Israeli camp guards.

This is a type of ethnic cleansing. Yet all we see on TV is documentaries about the Holocaust and the pain Jewish people went through, never is there a mention for what happens after that. This pushes public sympathy towards Jews in any jewish related issue. And makes us believe that Jewish people are economically recovering and as a population, they have no sort of power.

So what the media potrays all this as, Palestinians and Jews "not getting along together", the more the Palestinians fight back against the occupation, the more headlines of "look how violent these Palestinians are" come to us.

For every minor-struggled attack at Israel, hundreds of palestinian kids die by Israel.

America every year pays Israel $3 Billion, Israel is America's biggest aid reciever. No one knows why this is, becuase Israel is an economic power now, but millions of people look to the fact that is America's congress and politians or mostly Jewish people.


Links to check out
This is a link of all the British Media companies owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jews#Media

This is a link of all the American Politicians who are owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...an_politicians

This is a link of all the American Media Companies owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?..._Entertainment

These are links of all the 'Jews against Zionist-Jews' organisations, who are Jewish people that dislike Jewish-Zionist people. The media potrays them as Self-Haters but there not :-
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org (this group recently met with Ahmadinijad, but did he kill them, NO, they had tea together and there are pictures)
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/


This is a website of my good friend Ryan living in Japan, maintaining this site: http://www.rys2sense.com

Remember what your grand-parents said about not believing whats on TV and the Newspapers, well thats true, and no this is not a conspiracy as the media would like to think of. This is real as I have provided facts and links.

[rex3]

Originally posted by rex3
Sure Tanser_Man,

Introduction
First of all I would like to make clear that the people I mention in this, are Zionist-Jews who are getting a Jewish state on other peoples land, whilst there are Traditional Jews out there who know that there holy book, states that there shouldn't be a Israeli state, and that Jews must live along side the people of the world and Judaism is only a religoun. Remember that Palesine was equal with Christians (St, George was Palestinian), Jews and Muslims until all this invasion, by the Zionist-Jews.

Why you wouldn't have understood
Not much people ever understand this subject, because its so distorted via our Biased media (government paid and known world wide to be owned by mostly Jewish people, e.g. the Chairman of the BBC is Michael Grade who is Jewish, he is now the chairman of ITV)

What happened
After the Holocaust, Europe said that there needs to be a seperate land for the survivors of the Holocaust. Europe suprise, suprise said Palestine.

So Europe (Stalin and Resourvelt were both Jews, and so many more big European leaders) invaded Palestine, and year by year the border of the new Israel, grabbed out more Palestinianian land. its been 80 years . Till this day people like Lord Levy (typical Jewish name, who is Jewish) pay people like Tony Blair for there dirty work, hence the "Cash-for-Honours" issue.

Palestinian people have been occupied, restricted access, restricted from there own money, land, reduced food and increased poverty, Just for being there. Palestinians pay there Taxes to Israel, they only have access to rationed food that Israel supplies, they can hardly travel from there own towns, without permission. They are subject to rape, secret beatings, murders by Israeli camp guards.

This is a type of ethnic cleansing. Yet all we see on TV is documentaries about the Holocaust and the pain Jewish people went through, never is there a mention for what happens after that. This pushes public sympathy towards Jews in any jewish related issue. And makes us believe that Jewish people are economically recovering and as a population, they have no sort of power.

So what the media potrays all this as, Palestinians and Jews "not getting along together", the more the Palestinians fight back against the occupation, the more headlines of "look how violent these Palestinians are" come to us.

For every minor-struggled attack at Israel, hundreds of palestinian kids die by Israel.

America every year pays Israel $3 Billion, Israel is America's biggest aid reciever. No one knows why this is, becuase Israel is an economic power now, but millions of people look to the fact that is America's congress and politians or mostly Jewish people.


Links to check out
This is a link of all the British Media companies owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Jews#Media

This is a link of all the American Politicians who are owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...an_politicians

This is a link of all the American Media Companies owned by Jews:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?..._Entertainment

These are links of all the 'Jews against Zionist-Jews' organisations, who are Jewish people that dislike Jewish-Zionist people. The media potrays them as Self-Haters but there not :-
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
http://www.nkusa.org (this group recently met with Ahmadinijad, but did he kill them, NO, they had tea together and there are pictures)
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/


This is a website of my good friend Ryan living in Japan, maintaining this site: http://www.rys2sense.com

Remember what your grand-parents said about not believing whats on TV and the Newspapers, well thats true, and no this is not a conspiracy as the media would like to think of. This is real as I have provided facts and links.

it took me 7minutes to right the above post

[Tanser_Man]

So basically, the zionist Jews live in palestine... that is a homeland for zionist jew's inside Israel. They depend on the state and government of Israel for support but nothing much is given. They are subjected to rape and torture while back in Britain/ Europe, the media portray the people of Palestine to be the people in the wrong, despite vital information not being mentioned. This is mainly due to the media and government officials being jews, as opposed to zionist jews.


The one thing i don't really understand is the difference between normal jews and the zionist jews. What makes them so different?

[Tanser_Man]

Thanks for spending 7 minutes on the post aswell!

[rex3]

zionist jews are people with there political oppinion of having a full Israel state without palestinian bits. normal jews believe palestine should be given back completly to the palestinian people. there both jews but people say "zionist-jews" becuase of there political opinions. like right wing and left wing. I mentioned it, so i wouldn't get bombarded with "your a racist", you know how sensative topics with "jews" involved is. sorry for you confusion, I thought Id spend some time one explaining this, as it normally takes weeks to eventually know this.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
zionist jews are people with there political oppinion of having a full Israel state without palestinian bits. normal jews believe palestine should be given back completly to the palestinian people. there both jews but people say "zionist-jews" becuase of there political opinions. like right wing and left wing.

Ahh i understand now. Would i be right in saying it's like protestant's and catholic's having contrasting views on Christianity?

I don't understand what the big fuss is about to be honest, what's the point of treating Zionist's differently and segragating them purely based on a difference of opinion/beliefs? Surely a religion would condone such actions?

[easypeasy]

I'll never forget seeing the pictures of jewish soldiers shooting palestinian children who were throwing stones, the jews fight dirty.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by easypeasy
I'll never forget seeing the pictures of jewish soldiers shooting palestinian children who were throwing stones, the jews fight dirty.

I've seen basically the same thing vice versa.
The way someone fights cannot be solely based on their religion.

[zachary]

Originally posted by easypeasy
I'll never forget seeing the pictures of jewish soldiers shooting palestinian children who were throwing stones, the jews fight dirty.

And the Palestinians fight dirty also! They bomb us in public places, they don't care if there are children there or that those people who they are bombing are innocent.

I don't hate the Palestinians but I am duel citizen to Israel and wherever I stand I stand with Israel.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by zacharybinx

And the Palestinians fight dirty also! They bomb us in public places, they don't care if there are children there or that those people who they are bombing are innocent.

I don't hate the Palestinians but I am duel citizen to Israel and wherever I stand I stand with Israel.

get off their land and they wont have a problem with you.

[easypeasy]

from "the guardian"

'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'


On Friday a four-year-old Palestinian boy was shot dead by a soldier - the most recent child victim of the Israeli army. Chris McGreal investigates a shocking series of deaths

Monday July 28, 2003
The Guardian

Nine-year-old Abdul Rahman Jadallah's promise to the corpse of the shy little girl who lived up the street was, in all probability, kept for him by an Israeli bullet. The boy - Rahman to his family - barely knew Haneen Suliaman in life. But whenever there was a killing in the dense Palestinian towns of southern Gaza he would race to the morgue to join the throng around the mutilated victim. Then he would tag along with the surging, angry funerals of those felled by rarely seen soldiers hovering far above in helicopters or cocooned behind the thick concrete of their pillboxes. Haneen, who was eight years old, had been shot twice in the head by an Israeli soldier as she walked down the street in Khan Yunis refugee camp with her mother, Lila Abu Selmi.

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"Almost every day here the Israelis shoot at random, so when you hear it you get inside as quickly as possible," says Mrs Selmi. "Haneen went to the grocery store to buy some crisps. When the shooting started, I came out to find her. She was coming down the street and ran to me and hugged me, crying, 'Mother, mother'. Two bullets hit her in the head, one straight after the other. She was still in my arms and she died."

Later that day, the crowds pushed into the morgue at the local hospital to see the young girl on the slab, partly in homage, partly to vent their anger. Rahman pressed his way to the front so he could touch Haneen. Then he went home and told his mother, Haniya Abed Atallah, that he too wanted to die. "Rahman went to the morgue and kissed Haneen. He came home and told us he had promised the dead girl he would die too. I made him apologise to his father," Mrs Atallah says.

Weeks passed and another Israeli bullet shattered the life of another young Palestinian girl. Huda Darwish was sitting at her school desk when a cluster of shots ripped through the top of a tree outside her classroom and buried themselves in the wall. But one ricocheted off the window frame, smashed through the glass and lodged in the 12-year-old girl's brain. Huda's teacher, Said Sinwar, was standing in front of the blackboard. "It was a normal lesson when suddenly there was this shooting without any warning. The children were terrified and trying to run. I was shouting at them to get under their desks. Suddenly the bullet hit the little girl and she slumped to the floor with a sigh, not even screaming," he says.

Sinwar dragged Huda from under her desk and ran with her across the road to the hospital, itself scarred by Israeli bullets. After weeks in hospital, she has started breathing for herself again, through a windpipe cut into her throat. She has regained use of her arms and legs, but will be blind for the rest of her life.

Rahman was in another class at the same school. The next day, lessons were cancelled and the boy defied his mother to tag along at the funeral of a slain Palestinian fighter. The burial evolved into the ritual protest of children marching to the security fence that separates Gaza's dense and beggared Khan Yunis refugee camp from the spacious religious exclusivity of the neighbouring Jewish settlement. As Rahman hung a Palestinian flag on the fence, a bullet caught him under his left eye. He died on the spot. "It looks as if the soldiers saw him put the flag on the fence and they shot him," says Rahman's brother, 19-year-old Ijaram. "There were many kids next to him, next to the fence. But he was the only one carrying the flag. Why else would they have shot him?"

Britain's chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, recently praised the Israeli military as the most humanitarian in the world because it claims to risk its soldiers' lives to avoid killing innocent Palestinians. It is a belief echoed by most Israelis, who revere the army as an institution of national salvation. Yet among the most shocking aspects of the past three years of intifada that has no shortage of horrors - not least the teenage suicide bombers revelling in mass murder - has been the killing of children by the Israeli army.

The numbers are staggering; one in five Palestinian dead is a child. The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) says at least 408 Palestinian children have been killed since the beginning of the intifada in September 2000. Nearly half were killed in the Gaza strip, and most of those died in two refugee camps in the south, Khan Yunis and Rafah. The PCHR says they were victims of "indiscriminate shooting, excessive force, a shoot-to-kill policy and the deliberate targeting of children".

And children continue to die, even after the ceasefire declared by Hamas and other groups at the end of June. On Friday, a soldier at a West Bank checkpoint shot dead a four-year-old boy, Ghassan Kabaha, and wounded his two young sisters after "accidentally" letting loose at a car with a burst of machinegun fire from his armoured vehicle. The rate of killing since the beginning of the ceasefire has dropped sharply, but almost every day the army has continued to fire heavy machineguns into Khan Yunis or Rafah. Among the latest victims of apparently indiscriminate shooting were three teenagers and an eight-year-old, Yousef Abu Jaza, hit in the knee when soldiers shot at a group of children playing football in Khan Yunis.

The military says it is difficult to distinguish between youths and men who might be Palestinian fighters, but the statistics show that nearly a quarter of the children killed were under 12. Last year alone, 50 children under the age of eight were shot dead or blown up by the Israeli army in Gaza: eight, one of whom was two months old, were slaughtered when a one-tonne bomb was dropped on a block of flats to kill a lone Hamas leader, Sheikh Salah Mustafa Shehada. But Rahman, Huda and Haneen were not "collateral damage" in the assassination of Hamas "terrorists", or caught in crossfire. There was no combat when they were shot. There was nothing more than a single burst of fire, sometimes a single bullet, from an Israeli soldier's gun.

It was the same when seven-year-old Ali Ghureiz was shot in the head on the street outside his house in Rafah. And when Haneen Abu Sitta, 12, was killed while walking home after school near the fence with a Jewish settlement in southern Gaza. And when Nada Madhi, also 12, was shot in the stomach and died as she leaned out of her bedroom window in Rafah to watch the funeral procession for another child killed earlier.

The army offered a senior officer of its southern command to discuss the shooting of these six children over a period of just 10 weeks earlier this year. The military told me I could not name him, even though his identity is no secret to the Israeli public or his enemies; it was this officer who explained to the nation how an army bulldozer came to crush to death the young American peace activist, Rachel Corrie.

"I want you to know we are not a bunch of crazies down here," he says. At his headquarters in the Gush Khatif Jewish settlement in Gaza, the commander rattles through the army's version of the shootings: either the military knew nothing of them, or the children had been caught in crossfire - a justification used so frequently, and so often disproved, that it is rarely believed. But three hours later, after poring over maps and military logs, timings and regulations, he concedes that his soldiers were responsible - even culpable - in several of the killings.

The Israeli army's instinctive response is to muddy the waters when confronted with a controversial killing. At first, it questioned whether Huda was even shot. I described for the soldiers the scene in the classroom with blood rippling up the wall behind the child's desk.

"I don't know how this happened," says the commander. "I take responsibility for this. It could have been one of ours. I think it probably was."

The killing of Haneen is clearer in the commander's mind. "We checked it and we know that on the same day there was shooting of a mortar," he says. "The troops from the post shot back at the area where the mortar was launched, the area where the girl was killed. We didn't see if we hit someone. I assume that a stray bullet hit Haneen. Unfortunately." Doesn't he think that simply shooting back in the general direction of a mortar attack is irresponsible at best? He says not. "You cannot have soldiers sitting and doing nothing when they are shot at," he says.

Haneen's mother, Mrs Selmi, believes her daughter was shot from "the container". The metal box dangling from a crane evokes more constant fear in Khan Yunis than the helicopter rocket attacks and tank incursions. Nestled inside is an Israeli sniper shielded by camouflage netting and hoisted high enough to see deep into the refugee camp. From inside, it is striking how much the box moves around in the wind, leaving little hope of an accurate shot. Peering from behind the camouflage, the view is mostly of Palestinian houses riddled with bullet holes, a testament to the scale of incoming Israeli fire. Haneen's home sits a few metres from the security fence separating Khan Yunis from the Jewish settlement. But, because the house is inhabited, the damage is mostly limited to the upper floor, with 27 bulletholes around the windows. "In this area, we shoot at the houses," says the Israeli commander. "We don't want people on the second floor. I gave the order: shoot at the windows."

He may concede his soldiers are responsible for shooting Huda and Haneen, but he denies their responsibility for the slaying of Rahman, the nine-year-old shot while hanging the flag at the security fence. "We saw the children, we saw them for sure. They always demonstrate in this area after funerals. But I don't have any report from the troops on our shooting on this occasion," he says. "We have rules of engagement that we don't shoot children."

Seven-year-old Ali Ghureiz's father scoffs at the claim. "They meant to kill him, for sure," says Talab Ghureiz. "I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this."

The killing of Ali and wounding of his five-year-old brother is particularly disturbing because the commander admits there was no combat and the boys were the focus of the soldier's attention. The Ghureiz house lies on the very edge of Rafah. At the bottom of the street, an Israeli armoured vehicle and guard posts sit in the midst of a "no-go" area of tangled wire, broken buildings and mud. On the other side is the Egyptian border. "There were three kids. They were playing 50m from the house," says Ghureiz. "The Israelis fired two or three bullets, maybe more. No one could have made a mistake. They were only 100m from the children. I don't know why they did it. Ali was shot in the face immediately below his left eye. It was a big bullet. It did a lot of damage," he whispers.

"This is the first I've heard of this," says the commander. "According to the log, in the afternoon there were children trying to cross the border. The tower fired five bullets and didn't report any children hurt. Usually with children this age, we don't shoot. There is a very strict rule of engagement about shooting at children. You don't do it." But Ali is dead. "They [Palestinian fighters] send children to the fence. An older guy, usually 25 or so, gives them the order to go to the fence, or dig next to it. They know we don't shoot at children. If one of my soldiers goes out to chase them away, a sniper will be waiting for him."

Fences usually mark defined limits but, as with so much in the occupied territories, the rules are deliberately vague. There is an ill-defined ban on "approaching" the security fences separating Gaza from Israel or the Jewish settlements. "We have a danger zone 100 to 200m from the fence around Gush Katif [settlement]. They [the Palestinians] know where the danger zone is," the commander says. But many houses in Rafah and Khan Yunis are within the "danger zone". Children play in its shadow, and many adults fear walking to their own front doors.

"We have in our rules of engagement how to handle this," the commander says. "During the day, if someone is inside the zone without a weapon and not attempting to harm or with hostile intent, then we do not shoot. If he has a weapon or hostile intent, you can shoot to kill. If he doesn't have a weapon, you shoot 50m from him into something solid that will stop the bullet, like a wall. You shoot twice in the air, and if he continues to move then you are allowed to shoot him in the leg."

The regulations are drummed into every soldier, but there is ample evidence that the army barely enforces them. The military's critics say the vast majority of soldiers do not commit such crimes but those that do are rarely called to account. The result is an atmosphere of impunity. Israel's army chief-of-staff, Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, claims that every shooting of a civilian is investigated. "Harming innocent civilians is firstly a matter of morals and values, and we cannot permit ourselves to let this happen. I deal with it personally," he told the Israeli press. But Yaalon has not dealt personally with any of the killings of the six children reported on here.

The army's indifferent handling of the shootings of civilians has even drawn stinging criticism from a member of Ariel Sharon's Likud party in the Israeli parliament, Michael Eitan. "I am not certain that the responsible officials are aware of the fact that there are gross violations of human rights in the field, despite army regulations," he said.

The case of Khalil al-Mughrabi is telling. The 11-year-old was shot dead in Rafah by the Israeli army two years ago as he played football with a group of friends near the security fence. One of Israel's most respected human rights organisations, B'Tselem, wrote to the judge advocate general's office, responsible for prosecuting soldiers, demanding an inquiry. Months later, the office wrote back saying that Khalil was shot by soldiers who acted with "restraint and control" to disperse a riot in the area. However, the judge advocate general's office made the mistake of attaching a copy of its own, supposedly secret, investigation which came to a quite different conclusion - that the riot had been much earlier in the day and the soldiers who shot the child should not have opened fire. The report says a "serious deviation from obligatory norms of behaviour" took place.

In the report, the chief military prosecutor, Colonel Einat Ron, then spelled out alternative false scenarios that should be offered to B'Tselem. B'Tselem said the internal report confirmed that the army has a policy of covering up its crimes. "The message that the judge advocate general's office transmits to soldiers is clear: soldiers who violate the 'Open Fire Regulations', even if their breach results in death, will not be investigated and will not be prosecuted."

Towards the end of the interview, the commander in Gaza finally concedes that his soldiers were at fault to some degree or other in the killing of most - but not all - of the children we discussed. They include a 12-year-old girl, Haneen Abu Sitta, shot dead in Rafah as she walked home from school near a security fence around one of the fortified Jewish settlements. The army moved swiftly to cover it up. It leaked a false story to more compliant parts of the Israeli media, claiming Haneen was shot during a gun battle between troops and "terrorists" in an area known for weapons smuggling across the border from Egypt. But the army commander concedes that there was no battle. "Every name of a child here, it makes me feel bad because it's the fault of my soldiers. I need to learn and see the mistakes of my troops," he says. But by the end of the interview, he is combative again. "I remember the Holocaust. We have a choice, to fight the terrorists or to face being consumed by the flames again," he says.

The Israeli army insists that interviews with its commanders about controversial issues are off the record. Depending on what the officer says, that bar is sometimes lifted. I ask to be able to name the commander in Gaza. The army refuses. "He has admitted his soldiers were responsible for at least some of those killings," says an army spokesman who sat in on the interview. "In this day and age that raises the prospect of war crimes, not here but if he travels abroad he could be arrested some time in the future. Some people might think there is something wrong here."

[easypeasy]

not for faint-hearted.......
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine46.html

[zachary]

Originally posted by easypeasy

get off their land and they wont have a problem with you.

Oi oi. I don't live in Israel (anymore). First of all, it's not their land, Israel is the land of the Jews and was always called Israel. (Yes, were suppose to wait for Moshiach until aaliyah but i'm secualar so I don't really believe)

And i'd love for the Israeli and Palestinians to get along but there are Zionists and extremists who don't want that.

[easypeasy]

did you move from israel to avoid enforced national service?

as for the historical side of the arguement it is a fact that Israel was not always a jewish state, In fact Britain was responsible for giving the power to the zionists with the "British Mandate" after the league of nations appointed us responsible for the region.
Its quite ironic that this thread is a bunch of Brits asking for that mistake to be corrected.

[zachary]

^^ Yes...I don't agree with what the IDF does sometimes. I moved when I was 10 from Israel (Ramat Gam) I was born in London so it wasn't a big deal moving, and I haven't lived there since (only holidays) because I don't want to join.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by zacharybinx
^^ Yes...I don't agree with what the IDF does sometimes. I moved when I was 10 from Israel (Ramat Gam) I was born in London so it wasn't a big deal moving, and I haven't lived there since (only holidays) because I don't want to join.

I asked because i was hoping that would be your answer, I totally respect you for your choice. Its strange how nationalism is almost a dirty word over here but its apparently a fact of life in Israel. I guess it must be a "siege mentality" kind of thing. Mind you, that attitude saved us during the war.

[Emilee]

Is this the war which palestine and (cant remeber what other country) are fighting over whether Jerusalam is their captial or something.. Im a bit behind.

[zachary]

Originally posted by easypeasy

I asked because i was hoping that would be your answer, I totally respect you for your choice. Its strange how nationalism is almost a dirty word over here but its apparently a fact of life in Israel. I guess it must be a "siege mentality" kind of thing. Mind you, that attitude saved us during the war.

Sometimes I agree with the Orthodox Jews (Neturei Karta) when they are against Israel being in existence but I have a love for Israel that one has for his country.
It's hard to go against a country as beautiful and one that you spend a happy childhood in. I don't know if you could understand.

[Sticks]

....With every packet of cornflakes

[FrenchAffair]

"Palestinians" have a country, it is called Jordan. Israel is a legitimate democracy which despite being surrounded and invaded several times by hostile Muslim states and despite being consistently the victim of Palestinian terrorism has managed to turn a little bit of a desert into a flourishing country.

If "palestinians" want to negotiate peace then they should stop their terrorism and end the culture of racism they have towards Jews.

Ironic how Arabs in Israel are afforded more rights than Arabs are in any Arab nation.

[usaFtw]

Israel recieves $3 billion dollars of American tax payers money a year.

more than the aid given to the entire continent of africa or latin america.

Israel is the only one with a Nuclear bomb in the Middle East

Israel is the only Invading 3 countries whilst Iran and its neigbours have do nothing and have not even got a Nuclear bomb like them.

Its obvious that AIPAC in America run the american Middle east policy,