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Old 21-06-2016, 11:35 AM #26
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I adore Bea <33

True sociopath but made such a great villain
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Charley was a mix of Science and Nikki which was gonna give her a more iconic presence for the die hards (which the show will want to please to an extent) than someone just copying her Diary Room rants and then is just in a dull Showmance for the rest of the time.
I thought she was an overbearing housemate who was rather one dimensional personally. She was never particularly popular with diehards. Digital Spy posters couldn't wait to get rid of her and didn't like the way the producers fiddled with nominations to keep her in.
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I guess I'm with the few people who like Bea. She was brilliant
I even liked Lisa.

Surreal series.
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I guess I'm with the few people who like Bea. She was brilliant
I even liked Lisa.

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actually one of the funniest moments for me from BB10 was Charlie (who I didn't like either) doing impressions of BB voice overs if Lisa and David were the last two HM left
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I long for those days too. When showmances happened and were not contrived. When housemates didn't have agents and rows evolved naturally and not as a desperate bid for air time. Sadly, as long as this show stays with channel 5 I don't think it will change, except maybe for the worse. Because channel 5 only seem to think that if they show enough sex and aggression, it's bound to be a success.
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Big Brother 8 was the death knell for BB on Channel 4. It came after the Jade Goody fiasco but so many things were wrong it...

1. The all female start

2. The drip feeding of men into the house

3. The hysterical overreaction to Emily's silly mistake

4. The appalling ejection of Emily in the middle of the night with her saying "But I'm not wearing any underwear" as she was told to exit.

5. The fixing of nominations to keep Charley in longer than anyone could bear (after bringing Nikki back the year before)

6. The abysmal Half way house idea (which they seem to have been inspired by this year and which ended up being even worse)

BB7 had, until Nikki's eviction, an average viewing audience of 4.8 million. BB10 had an average viewing audience of less than 2.5 million. They lost over 2 million viewers in a couple of years.

As for BB10. It was awful. In the first week they had Sophie and Freddie rename themselves Dogface and Halfwit. They had Noirin walking around with glasses and a moustache drawn on her face. The live coverage was seriously reduced and the tasks were utter crap.
I'm currently making my way through all the BB's for the first time and it was BB8 where I noticed it all going completely downhill for all the reasons you've stated. I've already watched all the C5 BB's, so I've only got a few left now but all the things I dislike about BB now started occurring in BB8. I still found it moderately entertaining, but it was pretty bad.
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The current style of editing started in BB11 though. The only difference now is that they play music at the start of the episodes and have recaps before the titles. I would like it if the old style of editing came back but I've accepted that it's never going to happen

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what do people think of the chances that, if big brother was dropped tomorrow, channel 4 would have it back? or any other channel that could give good quality production?
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I honestly believe that Big Brother in the UK has come to the end of its life. I think for one year they should try and adopt the North American style of Big Brother: HOH, Noms, Veto and Eviction. Perhaps there needs to be a refresh of the whole thing and make it more of an actual 'game' instead of a popularity contest of attention-seekers and simpletons.
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The current style of editing started in BB11 though. The only difference now is that they play music at the start of the episodes and have recaps before the titles. I would like it if the old style of editing came back but I've accepted that it's never going to happen
Agreed. Loved the old style of editing. Even Marcus's voice has changed, it's awful.
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the closest we've got was BB12, that felt classic BB but the ones that followed were a scripted & manipulated mess
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BB13 was actually really natural too. And there was hardly any meddling from the producers part either. That all started in BB14
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Yes, BB11 started the change of some things, like musical montages etc. But it was never on the scale of what they did in BB12 or now.
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BB13 natural?, BB allowed them too talk about nominations from the start & as a result the house was full of obnoxious bullies, WORST SERIES EVER!
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not really, BB allowed them too talk about nominations from the start & as a result the house was full of obnoxious bullies, WORST SERIES EVER!
But that was also present during the second half of BB12-onwards? BB13 only had that rule for the first two weeks.

And I don't think them being allowed to talk about nominations is why the house was full of obnoxious people - although it did heighten the bitching, backstabbing, and paranoia within the house but that was still present weeks after that rule had been reverted.

And it's not the worst series ever. The majority of series on C5 have been way worse. Nice try loov
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Nomination discussions killed Lydia's game, but still C5 best series.
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BB14 is still my favourite C5 series. If C5 want to continue with silly editing and twists, BB14 shows the way to do it while still creating a good series. BB15/16 just took it too far and that shows in drop in ratings since BB14. The whole point of twists and secret houses and this that and the other is that it's rare, having one every week doesn't make it a twist, or a secret, it just makes it a part of the format.

There's just so much wrong with the show as it is now, from the casting right down to shopping tasks (which are exactly the same every week, just with a different cover).

It's early days with BB17, there hasn't been anything too bad yet, the reveal of the others/second house was done in a very C4 way (no VTs of people arguing and bitching), the casting is still messy but they've provided entertainment so far and last weeks eviction was amazing, so well produced! Editing is still all over the place and Marcus needs to shut up with some of the silly narrating. Tasks are as unimaginative as always also.
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How can people complain about how BB isn't how it used to be on C4 when their favourite C5 series is BB14, you know, the series where the production because unfair and biased, normal nominations were few and far between and there were twists basically every week.

I still think BB14 is a good series, but I just find it silly how people bash BB13 all the time when it was the most natural C5 series ever.
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I quite enjoyed the first two weeks where they could discussion nominations - it increased gameplay and it made the dynamics more interesting. But not to the point, where it got constant and boring or tedious like the whole Power Housemate thing in the second week of BB15.
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How can people complain about how BB isn't how it used to be on C4 when their favourite C5 series is BB14, you know, the series where the production because unfair and biased, normal nominations were few and far between and there were twists basically every week.
It had a vegetable patch = YAY C4 BB / BACK TO BASICS
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But that was also present during the second half of BB12-onwards? BB13 only had that rule for the first two weeks.

And I don't think them being allowed to talk about nominations is why the house was full of obnoxious people - although it did heighten the bitching, backstabbing, and paranoia within the house but that was still present weeks after that rule had been reverted.

And it's not the worst series ever. The majority of series on C5 have been way worse. Nice try loov
that's what killed the series & it set in stone the constant bitching & nastiness, without this rule it might have been more pleasant not unconformable, AWFUL series
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It had a vegetable patch = YAY C4 BB / BACK TO BASICS
I don't think I ever saw them use it
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How can people complain about how BB isn't how it used to be on C4 when their favourite C5 series is BB14, you know, the series where the production because unfair and biased, normal nominations were few and far between and there were twists basically every week.

I still think BB14 is a good series, but I just find it silly how people bash BB13 all the time when it was the most natural C5 series ever.
Because the production of a series is meaningless when the housemates are sh*te.

BB14's cast saved it, not the production.
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