[Mystic Mock]

Can Scotland take me with them please?

I'm fed up of being stuck with idiots, and not meaning to sound arrogant but I'm just too good to be hanging around idiots that want to damage me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Can Scotland take me with them please?

I'm fed up of being stuck with idiots, and not meaning to sound arrogant but I'm just too good to be hanging around idiots that want to damage me.

You can Move up there
ask Z
for help

[Wizard.]

People think ScotLond will actually become a thing LOL

[Cal.]

Will the EU even want Scotland without England? I didn't think Scotland had much money by themselves. That being said, they should be given a chance so give them another one.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Will the EU even want Scotland without England? I didn't think Scotland had much money by themselves. That being said, they should be given a chance so give them another one.

One of the many EU presidents said that the EU is happy to accept any one who wants to join them. That sums it all up doesn't it! See Turkey join within the next 10 years - that's if the whole EU doesn't collapse first.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Riley95

One of the many EU presidents said that the EU is happy to accept any one who wants to join them. That sums it all up doesn't it! See Turkey join within the next 10 years - that's if the whole EU doesn't collapse first.

Well they first applied in 1987, about time they got in

I don't really understand why this Turkey thing is a big deal. Can't be about immigration again surely as even without being in the EU we have a lot of Turks over here already. Most pizza shops and such round here are owned by Turks too...

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well they first applied in 1987, about time they got in

I don't really understand why this Turkey thing is a big deal. Can't be about immigration again surely as even without being in the EU we have a lot of Turks over here already. Most pizza shops and such round here are owned by Turks too...

Err direct access from the Middle East?

[microscope]

Yes of course. Make Nicola Sturgeon queen of Scotland to, she would look very fitting with a crown upon her ugly head lol

The main thing is that we don't let them use our pound notes or even pence, let them have the Euro gladly or they just keep their own Scottish notes that most people who don't live in Scotland usually turn their nose up at if they are given Scottish notes in our change at a shop and we usually say, "Have you got an English note?" haha :P

Basically on a serious note, I shall just say that if Queen Nicola tells us all that it's time for Scotland to independent, then let it happen, it doesn't really matter one bit.

[Livia]

Scotland should be allowed to have a referendum of course. This time though, promise them what they would actually get.... nothing. Cut all ties, take back the pound, keep our flag as it is for historical reasons, wish them luck with their application to join the EU. Because they'll need every single state to agree on them joining and Spain will never agree to it, not with Catalonia pushing for independence. So yeah, go it alone if you want Scotland, and best of luck with it. Seriously.. I hope it goes well. Of course all the British business that's there would be pulled back to England, all the military stuff of course and the military records office in Glasgow. Not sure what would happen with the Royal residences... perhaps Scotland would like to make us an offer for them?

[DemolitionRed]

Scotland has an independence party in charge that by its very nature will always be aiming at an independent scotland . Whilst Brexit might trigger its leaving, it isnt the cause of its leaving. If not this then the next then the next.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Scotland has an independence party in charge that by its very nature will always be aiming at an independent scotland . Whilst Brexit might trigger its leaving, it isnt the cause of its leaving. If not this then the next then the next.

The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

[joeysteele]

The prejudice of some against Scotland and its capabilities is astonishing, so much for a United Kingdom.

I think the Scottish govt should wait and see what, after all the hoo ha and give us independence back from 'leave', just what is the deal in the end with the UK negotiators.
If the deal is as I expect, that we remain in the single market and still have to accept in the greater part or fully, the free movement of EU citizens,then Scotland will see little change likely to how things are now.

If however,the UK insists on not having any free movement of EU citizens and does leave the single market,then the Scots should request a new referendum.
Those who can only make negative slurs to Scotland may then get a shock as to an independent Scotland.
I think the EU Nations would do all it can to fast track Scotland to remaining an EU member as it is now as part of the UK.

I further think the EU would assist the transition from the rest of the UK too.

However in addition, I would think it very possible those foreign investors and companies doing so in England and Wales at present may just move their investments to Scotland,with it remaining in the EU.
Those who would be pompously joyous at their expected fall of a independent Scotland, may just see the opposite take place.

I would support the futures of any forward looking Nations like Scotland any day of the week over any walking backwards as the UK overall has just done, thanks to England and sadly massively and surprisingly Wales too.

[Johnnyuk123]

If Scotland want to leave the UK then they should.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

They did vote in 2014 to remain in the UK while the UK was part of the EU.
They were even told that was their best way to secure continuing EU membership.

At the time of the referendum in Scotland, no party in the UK looked like winning an election outright so no EU referendum was even on the cards let alone guaranteed.
David Cameron did stress in May 2015, there would only be an EU referendum 'if' the Conservatives won an overall majority,something he never expected to happen at all.

That for me, should make that first Scottish referendum void,as they voted on a totally false position that voting to remain in the UK also meant being safe as a member of the EU too.
So they should get one and I think they could do even better than England if they went for it next time.

[bitontheslide]

There could well be support for it on the day the UK made a fundamental choice, but that may well change as time goes by and the realities of brexit become more clear, who knows.

We know a referendum will not be called unless there is overwhelming chance of independence being supported. If that circumstance becomes a reality, then of course they should have their referendum because at that point they will want independence. No doubts about it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Scots had a once in a lifetime chance to exit which they turned down, they had no reason to call for another vote until yesterday.

but it wasn't a once in a lifetime chance. SNP existence is based on getting independence for Scotland.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The prejudice of some against Scotland and its capabilities is astonishing, so much for a United Kingdom.

I think the Scottish govt should wait and see what, after all the hoo ha and give us independence back from 'leave', just what is the deal in the end with the UK negotiators.
If the deal is as I expect, that we remain in the single market and still have to accept in the greater part or fully, the free movement of EU citizens,then Scotland will see little change likely to how things are now.

If however,the UK insists on not having any free movement of EU citizens and does leave the single market,then the Scots should request a new referendum.
Those who can only make negative slurs to Scotland may then get a shock as to an independent Scotland.
I think the EU Nations would do all it can to fast track Scotland to remaining an EU member as it is now as part of the UK.

I further think the EU would assist the transition from the rest of the UK too.

However in addition, I would think it very possible those foreign investors and companies doing so in England and Wales at present may just move their investments to Scotland,with it remaining in the EU.
Those who would be pompously joyous at their expected fall of a independent Scotland, may just see the opposite take place.

I would support the futures of any forward looking Nations like Scotland any day of the week over any walking backwards as the UK overall has just done, thanks to England and sadly massively and surprisingly Wales too.

The prejudice against England from Scotland had always been astonishing. They want out... let them go.

[Tom4784]

I'm actually all for it and I hope they get it. I hope NI and Scotland get a chance to break away from the UK. They deserve the chance to make their own decisions after this ****show.

[Livia]

So long as they understand that the Barnett formula will end.

[Denver]

Here for the border then they can deport the rest

[Kizzy]

I'd trust Scotland to make a better job of being a stand alone country than us.

[kirklancaster]

The HYPOCRISY on this forum is staggering.

My stomach TURNS from all the whinging and whining from certain members whose posts have denigrated this country at every opportunity, yet, now, these are the very same members who are whinging and whining that other members are denigrating Scotland.

We have voted to close the door on Brussels, but it seems that once the result of the democratic Referendum was known, all logic and all fairness from certain people on here has flown through it while it is still open.

I have been wrongfully accused of being 'immature' and 'smug' since the Brexit victory, which is a lie - because a small amount of tongue-in-cheek banter with other 'Leave' members aside - I have not 'gloated' or took any comfort in the sorrow or anxieties of any 'Remain' members on here.

What I have done, is ramped my moderation up when I have been unfairly trolled and targeted.

I thought that all the acrimony - from whichever side - would diminish once the Referendum was over, and with it, all propaganda, 'point scoring', and hysterical scaremongering -- but it is increasing.

The great difference between our Entry into the EU, and our Exit out of it, is that 42 years ago, after being lied to by Edward Heath, we did not know what we had signed up to - now, despite the claims to the contrary of some, we KNEW that there would be some adverse changes in the short term.

It is disingenuous for anyone to claim any different.

I appeal for peace and commonsense to prevail upon here and for any genuine concerns which any member wishes to air, to be discussed and debated in a mature, intelligent fashion.

Because this claim and counter claim amidst a sea of growing animosity is benefitting no one.