[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im absolutely gutted cameron quit. GUTTED. I didnt agree with all he said but damn it he was a great statesman in many ways and he inherited a disgraceful mess from the super corrupt labour party who destroyed the economy, invaded nations illegally , damaged our civil liberties and covered up endless public sector and nhs abuses

And this ^

[Northern Monkey]

Never voted Tory,Never will.Could'nt vote Labour with Ed and deffo not with Corbyn.Voted UKIP last couple of times,Think Nigel is a legend getting us our independence back but would'nt vote for him to be our leader in a GE.

Praying Corbyn stops being so stubborn and realises nobody wants him anymore then we can get a good strong sensible leader for Labour who will take advantage of all the benefits of our Brexit.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Never voted Tory,Never will.Could'nt vote Labour with Ed and deffo not with Corbyn.Voted UKIP last couple of times,Think Nigel is a legend getting us our independence back but would'nt vote for him to be our leader in a GE.

Praying Corbyn stops being so stubborn and realises nobody wants him anymore then we can get a good strong sensible leader for Labour who will take advantage of all the benefits of our Brexit.

What are the advantages again?..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What are the advantages again?..

Old Betty feels safe in her home now goddamnit you can't put a price on that!

[the truth]

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

How strong is it now?..

[Livia]

I'm not getting involved in such an obviously baiting, sneering thread. This is not designed to lead to a discussion... I won't say 'debate' as so few people on here know what that means now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How strong is it now?..

Very good question Kizzy.

There has just been a vote that largely discounted the economy no matter how fragile that economy still was,now the economy is all important again.

There are many years to go before all this now chaos is concluded,let's see just what shape the economy is at the end of all that.

[Kizzy]

Imagine the impact on investments and share values?.....:/

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Im Curious How happy the Conservative supporters are with their second term in government and where it has led us and will you be voting for them to get a third term?
There was a lot of support for them on here at the last Election despite the warnings.
How do you feel they have done so far?

Yes the Old
IN / OUT Won It Bob.


I thank Nige for nicking Tory MP's
making Dave catch the TRAP

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How strong is it now?..

way stronger than labour left it....unemployment over 50% down...gdp steadily up for the last few years....house prices up. 2.6 million new jobs. more than the rest of the eu nations put together. way fewer people on the breed for benefits gravy train and a limit has been put on them too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

way stronger than labour left it....unemployment over 50% down...gdp steadily up for the last few years....house prices up. 2.6 million new jobs. more than the rest of the eu nations put together. way fewer people on the breed for benefits gravy train and a limit has been put on them too.

Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7105196.html

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7105196.html

You're fighting a losing battle here Kizzy, the blinkers are on so firmly that they're blindfolds in most cases. Apparently the economy is just fine and any drops are purely coincidence.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're fighting a losing battle here Kizzy, the blinkers are on so firmly that they're blindfolds in most cases. Apparently the economy is just fine and any drops are purely coincidence.

Exactly TS.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah that was a world wide recession now we're having our own sovereign recession...


'Trading in Barclays and RBS shares was suspended on Monday morning following heavy losses on the London Stock Exchange.

Barclays share price was down 10.3 per cent and RBS was down 15 per cent on Monday, triggering automatic circuit breakers that kick in when a share price falls more than 8 per cent.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7105196.html

it wasnt worldwide it was usa and uk especially and ours was worse because our economy was imbalanced. new labour wasted billions, deregulated the banks and the financial sector, dismantled the monopolies and mergers, wasted billions on the public sector, allowing council ceo's to double their salaries to nearly Ł250,000 p/a endless cover ups such as the 20,000 children abuses in rotherham...nhs scandals galore the stafford starvation of 1000+ patients, mrsa levels up to 70 times those in scandiavian countries....the whole nhs trust system was a disaster....they allowed banks to quadruple in size they totally decapitated the bak of england and sold billions of gold in a panic at way below its value.....
oh and wasted billions and cost 100,000s of innocent lives on on illegal wars.....but they did at least ban fox hunting
what a shower

they left us bankrupt again. no money left.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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Exactly TS.

Its been a very bad few days , but to compare 4 days blip to the economic meltdown of 2007/8 is hysterical. Lets see how the markets go over a period of time

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Its been a very bad few days , but to compare 4 days blip to the economic meltdown of 2007/8 is hysterical. Lets see how the markets go over a period of time

it's worse, it's a 31yr low, with billions wiped of share prices, this is more than a blip.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

it's worse, it's a 31yr low, with billions wiped of share prices, this is more than a blip.

lol the stock market fell 50% in the 07 /08 crash...that means the its doubled since then in the uk and usa....the pound falling is not ideal, it is a big fall and will hopefully rectify but it isnt anywhere near as important , it hurts in one way helps in another. the wntire ftse falling in half lost 100s of billions of value of our economy

[Mystic Mock]

Really, really bad.

When I was growing up this country's people was much happier as a whole, we was building alliances, and financially well off for most of my childhood. (until 2008)

But ever since the Tories have been running the UK they've had Scotland wanting to have two different Referendums in high numbers, they've caused us to leave the EU, they're encouraging racism in the UK, and they encouraged scapegoating of the EU and the Liberal Democrats, and biased treatment in their favour in the Media which is about as Democratic as Russia Today sometimes.

So no I seriously hope that they don't get a third term.

The only good thing in their repertoire has been legalising gay marriage, and even then nearly half of the party was against David Cameron on it.

They're a cold, inhumane party in my view that if they could they would have us all working without no wage whatsoever, and dying on the streets.

[Toy Soldier]

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

completely exaggerated , the world is infinitely more complex than that , but it will take students 10 / 15 years to unlearn some of this ...I hope you channel your idealism and hope to can change the world for the better

"Any one who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and
any one who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains" - Churchill (the bloke with the cigars who saved the world)

No offense to Winston Chruchill but there's a reason why the people of their time had issues with him running our country away from WWII, and that's because people like leaders that are tough, but can still be compassionate when need be, which is what the Conservatives lack.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What are the advantages again?..

I haven't heard a good case yet either.

I at least thought that there was a crazy plan gonna be pushed forward, it turns that there's no plan going forward.

So basically we've damaged our relationship with the EU and America for what?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

IF labour had still been in charge in 2010 to now, wed be bankrupt and austerity would have been 10 times worse. when will idealistic young voters ever realise you simply must have a strong economy or we all go down the toilet

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

So true on everything that you've said TS.

It's gonna take years for us to fix ourselves, and maybe even get a chance to get back in the EU.

I'm just still in shock that there's no plan from the Brexitors after the result.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

YOURE ABSURD exaggeration is exactly why bremain lost, when will you ever learn