[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I could say that to the elderly about the EU, but apparently in Neverland pulling out of the EU was gonna stop Immigration, save the NHS, get Coal Mines back, and pull us out of the European Court Of Law.

So it's kind of funny the hypocrisy in this post.

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

The older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK



You can see that the older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm just still in shock that there's no plan from the Brexitors after the result.

The only explanation is that they didn't really think it would happen. They had zero day one, short, or medium term plan in black and white... And their long term plan is just "Everything will be rly super gud".

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan

i took that graph out as it relates to facebook .... but the principle is the same

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK



You can see that the older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

This was a harsh wake up call for young people who didn't bother to vote, you can't expect Joe Bloggs next door to do it for you, I can understand young not voting in a GE with some seats being so safe there is no point voting or all the parties are so awful, but a referendum on membership of the EU which is a once in a lifetime decision, not to turn out to vote is beyond my comprehension

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Voted Green, that said there are some area of Tory politics that I agree with and a lot I don't, I don't think any of the parties are all black and white and as a leader I didn't mind Cameron

I totally agree with you Cherie.

I'm actually going to look into the Green Party's policies and wait to see who their new leader will be, and if I'm satisfied enough I will join the party and volunteer in the run-up for the next election. I've always been stuck between Green and Labour in terms of my support.

[the truth]

ill support corbyn for a while against the blairites....new labour were pure evil....but if corbyn can survive this and grow some backbone maybe a labour with honesty and principle can emerge

[Braden]

Originally Posted by the truth

ill support corbyn for a while against the blairites....new labour were pure evil....but if corbyn can survive this and grow some backbone maybe a labour with honesty and principle can emerge

I totally agree.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

YOURE ABSURD exaggeration is exactly why bremain lost, when will you ever learn

I'm quoting what people said so it's not me exaggerating but the people on the Leave side that said those things.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't even really give them gay marriage as a plus, let's be honest. That was just the global political tide at the time, any country claiming to be forward thinking can't really justify not legalising it... It wouldn't matter who was in power at the time, gay marriage rights would still have come in at roughly the same time.

Their "fixing" of the economy has been smoke and mirrors, their social policies have ranged from the cruel to the laughably disastrous, they've overseen the breakup of the EU and quite possibly the UK... They've wrecked education, both basic and higher... Wrecked the NHS... Let's not even talk about the shambles of Universal Credit...

Have I missed anything?

Why on earth didn't this British government set up an oil fund to protect Scottish industry during hard times. Failure to protect Scotland was absolutely unforgivable.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If you are going to blame an age demographic for a vote, it would be wise to check the proportions of age groups in the UK

The older generation are vastly outnumbered, so cannot possibly be soley responsible for a UK wide referendum result

Well considering that 75% of younger demographics voted to Remain, then it does leave the elderly, and the middle aged I'm afraid.

The only reason the middle aged aren't getting as much abuse, is because a lot of them were willing to listen to their children and grandchildren who are gonna be living in this state for many more years to come, and of course have to wipe the bums off of the people that did vote to leave the EU.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well considering that 75% of younger demographics voted to Remain, then it does leave the elderly, and the middle aged I'm afraid.

The only reason the middle aged aren't getting as much abuse, is because a lot of them were willing to listen to their children and grandchildren who are gonna be living in this state for many more years to come, and of course have to wipe the bums off of the people that did vote to leave the EU.

thats just not correct. If the young actually went out and voted, they would totally outnumber the older generations vote. So you can't attach blame to the older generation for voting when the young generation can't be arsed.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

thats just not correct. If the young actually went out and voted, they would totally outnumber the older generations vote. So you can't attach blame to the older generation.

The older generation shouldn't have been selfish, and cruel to the younger generations just because they thought that they would get their "UK" back.

Times change, just like in my time I'll lose certain things that made the UK unique to me (which is already starting at a really early age) the older generation need to learn and accept that a country nowadays cannot survive without allies, trade deals, and most importantly the Economy, you would've thought that the 70's would've taught these people something.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The older generation shouldn't have been selfish, and cruel to the younger generations just because they thought that they would get their "UK" back.

Times change, just like in my time I'll lose certain things that made the UK unique to me (which is already starting at a really early age) the older generation need to learn and accept that a country nowadays cannot survive without allies, trade deals, and most importantly the Economy, you would've thought that the 70's would've taught these people something.

but they are not being selfish and cruel

Fact 1. there are many more young voters than old
Fact 2. if the young can't be bothered voting, its their OWN fault if the result doesn't go their way.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but they are not being selfish and cruel

Fact 1. there are many more young voters than old
Fact 2. if the young can't be bothered voting, its their OWN fault if the result doesn't go their way.

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

I think you have a bit to learn about democracy. Your view isn't the only one, and is a personal choice.

There were 2 options on the ballot, both valid, and both with pros and cons


In a democracy, everyone is entitled to a view, and to be able to express it in the form of a vote.

Nothing cruel or unfair about it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I doubt any 18-24s voted as they were too busy taking selfies and applying fake tan

Yes LT


and Slumped on a bed with there PS4 Remote


Me I voted Sharp at 7AM
I made a Fecking EFFORT

[Kizzy]

Young people have to conserve their energy for working till they die...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Fact 1 - it is cruel to want to damage the country's future.

Fact 2 - It is cruel to want to damage the younger generation's dreams and prospects, don't forget not everyone in this country hates Europe, hence 48% that did vote.

Fact 3 - As I've said the only people that can't complain about the result is the ones that voted OUT! Everybody else can complain and nobody can say anything about people doing it as they didn't vote out and then regret it afterwards like some of the Out people are already doing.

Fact 4 - The Leave campaigners have ironically been the least patriotic of us all because we're gonna lose Scotland, we're likely to lose NI, and I've heard that Gibraltar wants to join Scotland on a Referendum as well.

So what exactly where the benefits of youngsters staying within the EU? What was on offer?

The EU have refused to reform in the slightest, so what will life be like for our children and future grandchildren? This isn’t about being European, we are European; its about leaving a Union that ties us to an uncompetitive market. It’s a club where every little thing is regulated.

I’m a mother and I don’t want my kids to live in a Union that insists they put up and shut up. I don’t want them to live in a Union that is heading towards being the United States of Europe with crippling medical insurance, prison systems that work on a profit basis and poor schools for those who can’t afford a decent education. I want them to live in a free-trading, open, globalized economy and because the Union wouldn’t give an inch, the only way they can do that is in a stand alone Britain.

[Wizard.]

I couldn't vote last year but at the time I wanted to vote Labour. Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union. Before anyone talks about how they're bad for students and the working class - I have hope that conservative can change some views in the future which is best done from the inside.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Riley95

I couldn't vote last year but at the time I wanted to vote Labour. Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union. Before anyone talks about how they're bad for students and the working class - I have hope that conservative can change some views in the future which is best done from the inside.

The question is, what style of Conservatism will you support ?

[arista]

"Now I'm joining the Conservative party and will join them at the Student Union."

How Nice

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I’m a mother and I don’t want my kids to live in a Union that insists they put up and shut up. I don’t want them to live in a Union that is heading towards being the United States of Europe with crippling medical insurance, prison systems that work on a profit basis and poor schools for those who can’t afford a decent education. I want them to live in a free-trading, open, globalized economy and because the Union wouldn’t give an inch, the only way they can do that is in a stand alone Britain.

But even man-of-the-people Farage has admitted that we're going to end up on a private health scheme anyway?

As usual I understand what you're saying in theory DR... but there are some glaring flaws here. In a free-trading, open, globalised, competitive economy we are now competing against a number of rising economic powerhouses who treat their citizens like disposable work-horses. No room for creativity, little time for recreation or family, no freedom to simply enjoy life, harsh and stifling education systems that have little care for the psychological or social wellbeing of the children in them. That is what we are "competing with".

To be blunt, it's like you voted for an idealised vision of an independent Britain that doesn't exist and will never exist.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But even man-of-the-people Farage has admitted that we're going to end up on a private health scheme anyway?

And well we may, but only if we allow the neo-liberals to continue with this . Its now for the people of Britain to stop this onslaught. We will now have a government that are servants to the people of Britain.

As usual I understand what you're saying in theory DR... but there are some glaring flaws here. In a free-trading, open, globalised, competitive economy we are now competing against a number of rising economic powerhouses who treat their citizens like disposable work-horses. No room for creativity, little time for recreation or family, no freedom to simply enjoy life, harsh and stifling education systems that have little care for the psychological or social wellbeing of the children in them. That is what we are "competing with".

To be blunt, it's like you voted for an idealised vision of an independent Britain that doesn't exist and will never exist.

We buy more from the EU than sell into it and so there would be riots on the streets of countries like Italy and Germany if free trade agreements didn’t remain in place. Imagine what it would do to their economy if we took our billions and spent it elsewhere. It just won’t happen. We are the 5th largest economy on earth which is pretty incredible considering our size.

So the EU have threatened that we will have no say and will be subject to all sorts of stifling regulations. China haven’t been stifled by regulations and neither has America. Norway and Switzerland haven’t been stifled by EU regulations because they, just like us, are in a free trading, open, globalized economy.

As for immigration. Immigrants outside the EU are restricted from working here. The skills they could bring to this country are held back by a mountain of EU red tape. Whilst the EU may allow any amount of unskilled workers in from the EU, it constantly turns away skilled workers from outside the EU. Its time that changed because if we want our economy to succeed then we need to be sourcing our skill sets from around the globe.

I've got a lot of respect for you TS. I know how passionate you feel about what's happened. Whilst we may disagree on this huge change, we should both agree that we are wanting the same outcome... a fairer and more successful Britain.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And well we may, but only if we allow the neo-liberals to continue with this . Its now for the people of Britain to stop this onslaught. We will now have a government that are servants to the people of Britain.

Why do you think post-Brexit citizens will be any different to pre-Brexit citizens, though? We COULD stop these things from happening, but we won't. Like I said I find it idealised... like somehow people will all of a sudden "be better" - be more involved, demand more. I see not evidence that people won't be just as lame as ever . "Take what you're given! Don't complain, you copuld be starving in Africa! If the UK is so bad [blah blah blah]"