[Dollface]

How ridiculous would our country look if we voted again and this time decided to remain in the EU? Imo it's stupid to want another vote, the decision has been made. There's lots of decisions in life where you don't get a second chance, this should be one of them.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lewis111

It's a tricky one

The People voted and decided what they wanted and that's what happened, that's how a democracy works

But that fact that a huge chunk of the leave campaign was pure lies should be reason enough to to let people vote again now they know the real consequences of their vote

They know what happens when we are in the EU, and know what happens when we are not now

But it shouldn't be for at least a couple years in case things settle

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

Yes,I would go for that.
That is a really good compromise on all sides 'the truth'.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes,I would go for that.
That is a really good compromise on all sides 'the truth'.

Truth for PM

[Kizzy]

No, I think the EU are done with us now we negotiated a deal in feb and still voted out, there are areas within the EU with much bigger problems than us so I think they are well within their rights to say ok UK foff now we have other things to do.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

well actually the stock market has pretty much recovered most of the losses already after just 5 days lol

The stock market is global, if anything global markets recovering quickly in only an indication that (thankfully) the UK's status isn't as integral to global stability as some might have thought / dreamed. It's really no indication of the situation for the UK itself.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, I think the EU are done with us now we negotiated a deal in feb and still voted out, there are areas within the EU with much bigger problems than us so I think they are well within their rights to say ok UK foff now we have other things to do.

To be fair Kizzy that's too extreme to be realistic. With the UK being a net "customer" for the EU (buying more than selling) a complete "f off" would create large holes in those countries' budgets. More likely is that the UK simply won't be able to negotiate terms that are even close to as favourable as they would like and so will end up "short" compared to trading within the union. There dies simply have to be a deal of some description... It's just this idea of Britain "dictating the terms" that is pure fantasy.

[Kizzy]

Yes that's sort of what I meant not a total FU but we will just have to go through the channels of all the other non EU countries with regard to negotiation, hence him putting a stop to private consultation with EU leaders directly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, I think the EU are done with us now we negotiated a deal in feb and still voted out, there are areas within the EU with much bigger problems than us so I think they are well within their rights to say ok UK foff now we have other things to do.

That attitude will backfire, it will massively hurt their own economies as uk buys more of their stuff than anyone else. uk is the richest per head country in europe and without any UK input a far bigger financial burden will fall upon germany and france to basically subsidise the long line of virtually bankrupt countries. The EU simply has to renegotiate its open borders ruling. As it stands


as usual the greatest visoinary poet of all time predicted this all


"The Times They Are A-Changin'"

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

uk is the richest per head country in europe

Errrrr I'm not sure where you're getting those figures Truth - we're 10th or 11th

[_Tom_]

The only petition worth signing:

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johns...ns-in-brussels

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

The Germans are quite clear


No special deals for the UK, NO pick and choose - its all in in or all out.

Said it today on Daily Politics

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

The only petition worth signing:

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johns...ns-in-brussels

God no, keep the hypocritical bobblehead away from it all. He's done enough damage.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

The only petition worth signing:

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johns...ns-in-brussels

No, nope and never... in that order.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The stock market is global, if anything global markets recovering quickly in only an indication that (thankfully) the UK's status isn't as integral to global stability as some might have thought / dreamed. It's really no indication of the situation for the UK itself.

To be fair Kizzy that's too extreme to be realistic. With the UK being a net "customer" for the EU (buying more than selling) a complete "f off" would create large holes in those countries' budgets. More likely is that the UK simply won't be able to negotiate terms that are even close to as favourable as they would like and so will end up "short" compared to trading within the union. There dies simply have to be a deal of some description... It's just this idea of Britain "dictating the terms" that is pure fantasy.

nope Im talking about ftse which is almost back where it started

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Germans are quite clear


No special deals for the UK, NO pick and choose - its all in in or all out.

Said it today on Daily Politics

lol they have to play hardball , its all negotiation. in the end its all down to merkel. she is no fool, she knows if she doesnt bend at all germany loses tens of billions , maybe 100s....and the right will rise again. she has to compromise eventually or EU will fall

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Errrrr I'm not sure where you're getting those figures Truth - we're 10th or 11th

lol were the 5th biggest economy in the world....our gdp per head is higher than france or germany....yes monaco is a higher gdp but theyre just an island of playboys

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol were the 5th biggest economy in the world....our gdp per head is higher than france or germany....yes monaco is a higher gdp but theyre just an island of playboys

True

[the truth]

up to 3.97 million now

[Tom4784]

The only thing worse than Brexit would be to instantly flip flop on it. We've got no real choice but to reap what we've sown at this point.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

The only petition worth signing:

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johns...ns-in-brussels

You can keep it

[Liberty4eva]

Next time the UK has the referendum the choices ought to be...

1. I want Britain to remain a member of the European Union
2. I need more time (and another referendum) to be educated on how foolish it would be to leave the EU

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

A damning indictment for anyone who doesn't share your view, Dezzy. I knew exactly what I was voting for, as did everyone I know who voted to leave. I took a long time to make up my mind and read a huge amount of materials. And yet I'm still accused of not knowing what I'm doing. Even by people who didn't bloody bother to vote! Rich...

I second that. NO ONE on here or anywhere else is going to tell me that I was ignorant of the issues. I KNOW the issues only too well, like I know that those crying 'foul' are being seduced by ALL the propaganda from those in power and secret power who are desperate to FORCE the weak and spineless in this country to abandon Democracy and hold another referendum.

The stock market crash, the fall of Sterling, the sudden rise in reporting of racist incidents - which have ALWAYS existed but just not been reported in such a CONCERTED manner, the the fall in house prices.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

We HAD to get out of a deep trench which was collapsing on us, and once we went over the top, we KNEW that 'bullets and shells would be fired at us, well those rounds are BLANKS, so stop waving the white flag.

The stock market WILL recover - AFTER all the elite and powerful and wealthy have made BILLIONS from buying up those low shares and watching them recover before selling.

Ditto Sterling.

Ditto the 'property crash'.

THEY not only PERSONALLY win financially, they also win in their WELL PLANNED objective to bamboozle any spineless and witless who voted to 'LEAVE', to regret it, and to force ay spineless and witless who voted to 'REMAIN', to become more militant, so that COMBINED, both camps can TEST our resolve, and our Government's resolve, to abandon DEMOCRACY and surrender.

NOT ON MY WATCH.

Here - everybody calm their nerves by looking forward to the production of my new blockbuster - 'THE GOODFATHER':

Youtube video

'THE GOODFATHER'

INT. DAY: DON KIRKLEONE'S OFFICE (SUMMER 2016)

JOHNNY 'REMAIN' IS SEATED AT THE GOODFATHER'S DESK. HIS HEAD IS BURIED IN HIS HANDS AND HE IS WEEPING UNCONTROLLABLY.
THE DON IS SEATED BEHIND HIS DESK. HE WATCHES JOHNNY WITH A MIXTURE OF BEWILDERMENT AND CONTEMPT.

JOHNNY
I don't know what to do now Goodfather. That EU mob and their henchman – they're threatening us…. Ruining our economy. We are weak now… Weak without their protection. I can't take it.
(Sobs heavily)
What did we do? I'm scared… I can't get to sleep even
when I'm clutching my Teddy tightly…. Anyway, uh, if we could have another Referendum, ya'know, it would be be a different result. Maybe they'd pity us and take us back. We could increase the protection money – I mean increase the contribution that we pay them. That would do it Goodfather…

(Pathetically)

I mean… Wouldn't it? We'd be right back on top again. It's only been just over a week.

DON KIRKLEONE
Who are these people?*

JOHNNY
The big Corporations. The EU. The politicians… Everybody. We can't fight them… They're too big, too strong…. We're weak – Even you Goodfather – they're more powerful than you. I mean, it's only been less than a week now, and yet everybody's threatening us.
(sobs heavily)
These threats…. I can't sleep. I'm a quivering wreck. Oh, Goodfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. What can I do?

DON KIRKLEONE
(infuriated)

You can act like a man!
(Slaps Johnny hard across his face)
What's the matter with you?*Is this how you turned out? A trembling finocchio*that ah cries like a woman?(

(then, imitating Johnny,)
What can I do?! What can I do?!
(then)
What is that nonsense? Ridiculous.*Get a fecking grip.

THE GOODFATHER TURNS TO LEATHERTRUMPET, HIS CONSIGLIERE, WHO HAS BEEN SILENTLY OBSERVING.

DON KIRKLEONE
Get me 2,000 horses heads – I'm gonna make them all an offer they can't refuse.

[_Tom_]

The man's got a point.

Youtube video

[the truth]

4.1 million now

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Next time the UK has the referendum the choices ought to be...

1. I want Britain to remain a member of the European Union
2. I need more time (and another referendum) to be educated on how foolish it would be to leave the EU

Don't forget number 3.

3: If the result does not go my way we keep on having a vote until it does.