[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

4.1 million now

Really the truth, has it got that high,it was adjusted a few days ago by just over 100,000 after investigation I understand,
Has it now again actually risen to that level now.
That is quite a figure.

[the truth]

yep 4.1 million, not sure how corrupt this is , shame really. if it had been 100% legitimate and unspolit a number like this could have created some waves

[arista]

Numbers have of Frauds in them / Outside the UK


Not valid

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes democracy at it's best.... yes lets keep voting until the result comes in to remain. Then shut up shop to stop the leavers wanting a re vote to vote leave again.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Numbers have of Frauds in them / Outside the UK


Not valid

They have dealt with that arista and removed names from it already I understand.
This that is left, is now the legitimate figure,I never signed it, no way do I want another referendum after the insulting last vile one.

I hadn't realised it was to the 4 million mark however.

If however it was still getting fraudulent names on it, it would be removed, not allowed to continue.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They have dealt with that arista and removed names from it already I understand.
This that is left, is now the legitimate figure,I never signed it, no way do I want another referendum after the insulting last vile one.

I hadn't realised it was to the 4 million mark however.

If however it was still getting fraudulent names on it, it would be removed, not allowed to continue.

Yes the First batch


No they will never remove it

But more to be auto and human checked

[microscope]

The current population of the United Kingdom is 65,113,183 as of Sunday, July 3, 2016, based on the latest United Nations estimates. The estimated cost of conducting the EU referendum has been put at Ł142.4million. And all of a sudden the remain-camp are not happy that 48% of the 30+ million that voted didn't get what they wanted, well that's tough luck I'm afraid. Blame the 35million who didn't vote then as well as the 15+million who did vote for leave, but it's all hindsight now and it's better to look forward than going backwards and even if there was a second referendum, there is no guarantees that the remain-camp would win and the Ł142.4million that was spent organizing the whole thing you would never get back and you would have to spend all that money again and all the money that has been wiped off the financial markets, you would never get back either, so it's all rather pointless.

[the truth]

welsh poll shows a new referendum would see the result over turned http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/po...53-47-11566937

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

welsh poll shows a new referendum would see the result over turned http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/po...53-47-11566937

Who cares? Leave won, Remain lost - they should all get over it. It's time to move on and actually pour a united energy into actually making this country strong again.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Who cares? Leave won, Remain lost - they should all get over it. It's time to move on and actually pour a united energy into actually making this country strong again.

hmmm i dont know , there is some momentum for delaying article 50....you really cant see a second referendum on a redraft, before we leave for good and cut all our ties?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by the truth

hmmm i dont know , there is some momentum for delaying article 50....you really cant see a second referendum on a redraft, before we leave for good and cut all our ties?

No. What is ocurring now in the UK AND against the UK from abroad, is merely the second wave of the same 'scare tactics' in a well orchestrated campaign by the pro-EU 'Establishment' which seeks to preserve the 'status quo' for their own corrupt reasons.

Having JUST failed to win the Referendum with their pre-Referendum scare mongering propaganda, they are now relentlessly working to plant seeds of doubt in that percentage of 'Leave' voters who voted from superficial whim rather than deep commitment following extensive research, and FORCE another Referendum - and their tactics are working.

Even this latest B.S from the government about 'Deporting' those long time UK resident immigrants is fake and designed to create anxiety and panic in the gullible - especially about the fate of ex-pats.

Yet this B.S. comes 'close on the heels' of Cameron and his cronies ASSURING us that long term UK immigrants and UK ex-pats living abroad in EU countries will be UNAFFECTED.

I don't know about you Truth, but I am old enough to have seen GENUINE crashes and recessions - I even lost most of what I had worked all my life for in the last one - and no matter HOW SEVERE these genuine crashes and recessions were -- WE ALWAYS, not only survived them -- we PROSPERED and PROGRESSED and PROSPERED.

All this post-Brexit B.S. is no different.

1961 recession 0.5 years - 0.2% Time lag from the 'Rolling Adjustment' recession in America and high bank rate. Interest rates were hiked from 5.0% to 7.0% in July 1961, reducing to 6.5% in October 1961 and then to 6.0% from

Mid-1970s recessions 1973/1974 - 0.75 years -0.4%
Oil crisis, stagflation, the decline of traditional British industries, inefficient production caused by excessive union wage demands. The economy surpassed its pre-recession peak by 1976 fourteen quarters after its beginning.
There were two single-quarterly setbacks during the recovery (aside from the double-dip) in 1974 Q4 and 1976 Q2.
Average inflation was 9.2% in 1973, 16.0% in 1974, 24.2% in 1975 and 16.5% in 1976.[15]

Interest rates fluctuated wildly during the recession with a low of 9.0% in March 1976 and a high of 15.0% in October 1976.

1980s recession -1.25 years
Deflationary government policies including spending cuts, pursuance of monetarism to reduce inflation, switch from a manufacturing economy to a services economy. Company earnings decline 35%.
Unemployment rises from 5.3% of the working population in August 1979 to 11.9% in 1984
Took thirteen quarters for GDP to recover to its pre-recession peak at the end of 1979.
Annual inflation was 18.0% in 1980, 11.9% in 1981, 8.6% in 1982 and 4.6% in 1983.

Interest rates generally declined during the recession from a peak of 17.0% at the beginning of 1980 to a low of 9.6% in October 1982.

1990s recession - 1.25 years - 1.1%
US savings and loan crisis, high bank rate in response to rising inflation caused by the Lawson Boom and to maintain British membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism. Company earnings decline 25%.
Peak budget deficit ~8% of GDP.
Unemployment rises from 6.9% of the working population in 1990 to 10.7% in 1993
Took eleven quarters for GDP to recover to its pre-recession peak in the Spring of 1990.
Annual inflation was 9.5% in 1990, 5.9% in 1991, 3.7% in 1992. and 1.6% in 1993.
Interest rates were stubbornly high initially but declined from a high of 14.8% at the start of the recession to a low of 5.9% by the end of the recession, though interest rates were hiked twice during Black Wednesday.

2008 Great Recession. 1.25 years
Late 2000s financial crisis, rising global commodity prices, subprime mortgage crisis infiltrating the British banking sector, significant credit crunch.

The recession lasted for five quarters and was the deepest UK recession since the war.
Manufacturing output declined 7% by end 2008.
It affected many sectors including banks and investment firms, with many well known and established businesses having to fold.
The unemployment rate rose to 8.3% (2.68m people) in August 2011, the highest level since 1994.
There was much speculation of a 'double dip' recession during the 2010s, but this proved not to be the case. However, the 2010s saw four separate periods of Quarter on Quarter fall in growth: 2010 Q4 (-0.4); 2011 Q4 (-0.1); 2012 Q2 (-0.5); and 2012 Q4 (-0.2).

We - THE BRITISH - SURVIVED AND OVERCAME and PROSPERED.

'There IS NOTHING to fear but FEAR itself'

[arista]

the truth .


No 2nd Chance
Yes Dave.

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

welsh poll shows a new referendum would see the result over turned http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/po...53-47-11566937

Wales Voted Out

Respect their Right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

hmmm i dont know , there is some momentum for delaying article 50....you really cant see a second referendum on a redraft, before we leave for good and cut all our ties?

I would never say never as to that 'the truth', with pressure of big business, polling, although why anyone takes notice of that now is beyond me.

However if as you have pointed out it can be shown that the vote could have changed so quickly, before anything gets started or done, if there is evidence a different result could be got,who knows.

There are still around 100 Conservative MPs not in favour of leaving at all,virtually no other party wants to leave except the DUP and a handful of Labour MPs.
With legal challenges going on and parliament likely set to have to start this process when it does via an MPs debate and vote,it may be that since the last vote was misleading on both sides.
A 'clear the air' new vote could be suggested and taken.

I personally hope not, do I want to go through all I did last time, not really.

However it is not me that can twist govts arms and I have a feeling a lot of that will be going on.
Even moreso since you now point out Wales regrets their vote and would now vote differently too.

[Cherie]

I just want to get on with it now, no turning back