[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Any reform that does happen within the EU wouldn't have happened without the UK leaving though, so someone had to do it to force the reform. Its not like the EU wasn't well aware of our issues before we took the vote, they refused to modify terms when the writing was on the wall. The EU bureaucracy are more to blame than anyone else.

So we'll be remembered as martyrs? That's something at least...

[Mystic Mock]

Why would Germany want to pull out? They benefit in this more than anyone?

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one with a brain? If the country has a better Economy being in a Union or some form of an organization then it's for the best to stay in it as it's the smart and patriotic thing to do.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's everyone's worst nightmare as this is being orchestrated by the far right

Exactly, and we're giving extreme ideologies such as Islam more power but these people will learn soon enough.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

LOL it seems the only people that want to be a part of the EU are the bureaucrats and Toy Soldier.

And 48% that voted to remain, then don't forget the people that never voted, and then the 16 and younger that would've voted to Remain, well most of them anyway.

Leave is always gonna win these Referendums not because that they're the majority, but more because of the fact that it's like when BB does VTE and VTS, VTE attracts more votes because it's the more negative option, not as many people are as impassioned to vote to save a Housemate as they are evicting a Housemate.

And that's what's happened here, people on the leave camp were more impassioned than the majority that wanted the status quo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And 48% that voted to remain, then don't forget the people that never voted, and then the 16 and younger that would've voted to Remain, well most of them anyway.

Leave is always gonna win these Referendums not because that they're the majority, but more because of the fact that it's like when BB does VTE and VTS, VTE attracts more votes because it's the more negative option, not as many people are as impassioned to vote to save a Housemate as they are evicting a Housemate.

And that's what's happened here, people on the leave camp were more impassioned than the majority that wanted the status quo.

The argument often used as to turnouts that don't come to the figure of near all that can vote as to the govts not being elected with full mandates of votes .
Is that it is assumed those who do not vote give consent to the status quo.

Overall this was a 70+ turnout but only resulted in a 4% win, Nigel Farage was reported to have said, if there was a narrow win like this for remain,that was unfinished business and the matter not settled and he would call for a 2nd referendum, widely reported in the Mirror and the Daily express.

How odd it is now with a narrow win for leave.

I always said I believed more in the UK would have been on the remain side, some strongly others more softly as to their view,however I always said we could sleepwalk out of the EU by the fact that those wanting to leave,being more determined to vote.

So I agree with your post entirely.

However the govt failed to put any locks on the vote,at the very least they should have had that 3 of the UK nations had to support leaving or that there had to be a 67% vote either way to be binding on the govt.

Also however,this petition that now has gathered around 3.5 million signatures, after the removal of names that are not valid on it.
This was devised last year by a leave supporter, who stated first there should have to be a 75% turnout and at least a 60% vote for remain or leave to make the referendum result valid.

I bet with all his being, David Cameron wishes he had looked at that and made it so now.

We probably do still have a UK where more would have stayed than left.
Which will do nothing at all to help heal the divisions of this referendum.
Even worse after the rise in racist and xenophobic incidents, which this campaign has helped fuel further, as to such people that think that way unfortunately.

[Toy Soldier]

Honest Nige again there Joey.

"Nigel it's 52%..."

"52% that is far too close for this to be over!! So many people clearly want this we will continue the fight until w... "

"52% for LEAVE, Nigel."

"U wot??? YES! It's over! Freedom! Done and dusted! The people have spoken and it's OUT OUT OUT No more questions please. "

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honest Nige again there Joey.

"Nigel it's 52%..."

"52% that is far too close for this to be over!! So many people clearly want this we will continue the fight until w... "

"52% for LEAVE, Nigel."

"U wot??? YES! It's over! Freedom! Done and dusted! The people have spoken and it's OUT OUT OUT No more questions please. "

That's about right TS, you couldn't make it up.

[Raph]

It's like the EU is Big Brother UK in channel 4 times and we're watching channel 5 take over slowly but surely

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honest Nige again there Joey.

"Nigel it's 52%..."

"52% that is far too close for this to be over!! So many people clearly want this we will continue the fight until w... "

"52% for LEAVE, Nigel."

"U wot??? YES! It's over! Freedom! Done and dusted! The people have spoken and it's OUT OUT OUT No more questions please. "

Your views on Nigel have surpassed the 'Reaching' stage T.S. - Nigel's 'fibs' are far fewer and pale into total insignificance when compared to 'Cam The Sham' and his pet Gopher Osborne - not to mention a few dozen others on the Labour benches.

Still, I suppose you all have to have SOMETHING to grouse about when it comes to Farage.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Your views on Nigel have surpassed the 'Reaching' stage T.S. - Nigel's 'fibs' are far fewer and pale into total insignificance when compared to 'Cam The Sham' and his pet Gopher Osborne - not to mention a few dozen others on the Labour benches.

Still, I suppose you all have to have SOMETHING to grouse about when it comes to Farage.

Are you denying that he has a double-standard when it comes to what percentage he is willing to consider binding?

Also, the fact that others have lied more isn't really relevant, is it? That's like saying someone shouldn't be charged with assault because the guy who lives down the street is a murderer.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you denying that he has a double-standard when it comes to what percentage he is willing to consider binding?

Also, the fact that others have lied more isn't really relevant, is it? That's like saying someone shouldn't be charged with assault because the guy who lives down the street is a murderer.

It is relevant to the point which I am making; that it is laughable the way in which certain members on here keep lambasting Farage for what they allege are a few minor fibs, whilst conveniently ignoring the massive, disgusting catalogue of serious lies which have been repeatedly churned out with impunity by other politicians.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is relevant to the point which I am making; that it is laughable the way in which certain members on here keep lambasting Farage for what they allege are a few minor fibs

I wouldn't call someone demanding that they would get further attention for their beliefs if they got a 48/52% split in the votes one minute, and then isisting that the vote is done and dusted and not up for discussion the next minute after it's gone his way, a "minor fib". I'd call it completely disingenuous.

whilst conveniently ignoring the massive, disgusting catalogue of serious lies which have been repeatedly churned out with impunity by other politicians.

Who is doing that, exactly?

[Tom4784]

The pattern here is that it only seems to be the extreme right of these countries that are calling for a Referendum.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is relevant to the point which I am making; that it is laughable the way in which certain members on here keep lambasting Farage for what they allege are a few minor fibs, whilst conveniently ignoring the massive, disgusting catalogue of serious lies which have been repeatedly churned out with impunity by other politicians.

Farage has built a career on lies. The only reason why he's still in power in UKIP is because he lied. None of the statements and promises that he made his EU campaign on proved truthful.

I don't understand why anyone can still support him when he's lied over and over again.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Farage has built a career on lies. The only reason why he's still in power in UKIP is because he lied. None of the statements and promises that he made his EU campaign on proved truthful.

I don't understand why anyone can still support him when he's lied over and over again.

Dezzy , it does not matter , now
We are out.


You Must Move Forward Dezzy


We can not have trouble on our streets
I mean BHS is trying to Close Down
for good.

And the Team
in charge of the Closedown
told me they must sell everything in the store
to get every penny back.

[Livia]

If the German people demand a referendum, one of the parties will offer it at their next general election. Ignoring the people, not discussing their concerns will not make any politician electable. Including Merkel.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Livia

If the German people demand a referendum, one of the parties will offer it at their next general election. Ignoring the people, not discussing their concerns will not make any politician electable. Including Merkel.

And then WHAM BAM!!!.. GEXIT .... and the Germans vote to leave.