[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Leavers complain that remain voters want to protest a 52-48 vote yet what would have happened if it was the other way around? I doubt the EDL and the other extremist organisations on the Leave side would have opted for peaceful protests.

There's already been violent incidents and hate crime and that's happened when Leave has won....God forbid what fresh hell would have happened if Leave lost considering they were already crying about it being fixed when it looked like they might lose before the results were announced.

yes I hear there was some graffiti in London

I think the army should be called in

[Johnnyuk123]

They are beginning to sound like a broken record.

[Jack_]

This thread reads like the Mail Online comments section, it's embarrassing

[Mystic Mock]

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Young people protesting a democratic result that will take them out of an undemocratic union. Whatever crap their college professors are pouring into their ears it seems to be working.

Young people are the majority of this country, the elderly won't benefit from these changes, all the elderly have done is made the younger generations take decades to get us back into the EU (which will happen) so well done.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they should have voted that lot

probably too busy round at the artisan bakers buying marble rye and sourdough

Or are being attacked so badly financially that they don't even have a home?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If 'Remain' had won, then there would be absolutely NO difference to what is occuring now;

the MAJORITY of losing 'Leave' voters would accept the democratic result, whilst the fecking idiot minority - extremists and all - would probably not accept the result and would take to the streets; causing civil disruption and trouble, because they are too immature to know what Democracy is.

Grousing over the Sunday dinner or over a pint, or even writing 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' type letters to the newspapers is perfectably acceptable, but whether Left or Right Wing, 'Remain' or 'Leave' - actions by IDIOTS which disrupt the lives of ordinary people going about their business, is NOT acceptable.

If I was driving through London or York and ANYONE stepped in front of my car as part of a 'protest' - I would RUN THE IDIOT OVER.

I would not, though, reverse over them, unless they had made me late for an appointment.

The right to protest is enshrined in law so it's entirely acceptable, and always should be. Why on earth would you not want it to be?

This exact thing would've been happening had we voted to remain and half of the people lambasting these protesters would've been protesting and screaming about a second referendum themselves. And Farage would've peddled his 'in a 52/48 result this is unfinished business' even more, it's funny how that's just been forgotten now he got the result he wanted?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'd be more impressed if the dumb clucks actually investigated the apalling TRUTH about the EU - which they obviously have not, or they would not be protesting.

Have you studied it's benefits Kirk? Like they come and protect us if we get attacked by a non-EU country? Or the fact that we have trading deals with the EU? The fact that we don't have to have Visa's to live in an EU country? Or the fact that our Economy was the 5th best in the world?

But apparently I'm uninformed for stating these facts as apparently Immigration is bigger and more important than all of these isn't it Kirk? Or is it the imaginary hindering of the NHS which is really all of the Tories doing?

Really stop taking the Daily Mail and The Sun as gospel and laugh them off like the jokes that they are like most of us do when we read them, The Sun in particular aren't even honest with their right wing propaganda.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?

Precisely. Maybe they're scared that all the protesting will amount to a watering down of the things they hoped to achieve with leaving the EU and so want to silence them before it undoes all of their work?

If so, all power to them...

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets hope when the olympics are on and the men's 100 metres race has finished that the guy who came last says...erm the sun was in my eyes so we need to do a re run. Lets see how many YES lets re run the race threads we get.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Precisely. Maybe they're scared that all the protesting will amount to a watering down of the things they hoped to achieve with leaving the EU and so want to silence them before it undoes all of their work?

If so, all power to them...

The winning side was always gonna try and silence protests.

Imo as long as the protest is peaceful and non-violent then I support the right for a protest like you do.

Basically I agree with you that the Leave side is scared that if these protests go ahead that it could swing a pro-Remain campaign into a new lease of life.

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If it's truly democracy in this country then these people should be allowed to have a peaceful protest, as after all what's there to be afraid of if they're such a minority group?

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

[_Tom_]

Can we start calling the pro-EU protesters what they really are?

Goldman Sachs lobbyists.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Lets hope when the olympics are on and the men's 100 metres race has finished that the guy who came last says...erm the sun was in my eyes so we need to do a re run. Lets see how many YES lets re run the race threads we get.

I'm presuming that the Olympics would do a re run if a player was impeded.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

And condemning people for exercising their right to protest which is in itself an act of democracy is entirely undemocratic also.

People are protesting because they are rightly fearful of what this result is going to amount to, especially with the people that are about to ascend to power. That is their right. They are protesting against the xenophobia and racism that multiple people have experienced in the last week. That is their right. They are protesting because they want the things that protected the working people of the UK to be protected by the new government. That is their right.

The vote is done and a second referendum isn't going to happen. So what is the problem? Allow these people their voices if you're such a proponent of democracy, if it isn't going to change anything you're in support of then it's no harm done is it? Or are you scared that the things you've fought for are in jeopardy the more people speak out?

Either way, democracy works both ways. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Protesting against a democratic result is not democracy though.

Well the Tories don't have to listen to it do they? That's democracy.

Telling people that they can't protest is no different to Russia.

[Jack_]

Can we start calling the anti-EU proponents what they really are?

Racists, xenophobes and turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And condemning people for exercising their right to protest which is in itself an act of democracy is entirely undemocratic also.

People are protesting because they are rightly fearful of what this result is going to amount to, especially with the people that are about to ascend to power. That is their right. They are protesting against the xenophobia and racism that multiple people have experienced in the last week. That is their right. They are protesting because they want the things that protected the working people of the UK to be protected by the new government. That is their right.

The vote is done and a second referendum isn't going to happen. So what is the problem? Allow these people their voices if you're such a proponent of democracy, if it isn't going to change anything you're in support of then it's no harm done is it? Or are you scared that the things you've fought for are in jeopardy the more people speak out?

Either way, democracy works both ways. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Can we start calling the anti-EU proponents what they really are?

Racists, xenophobes and turkeys voting for Christmas.

Apparently obsessing over Immigration above all else and wanting it closed off entirely is not racist or xenophobic Jack, and apparently we're just scaremongering for saying that they are didn't you know?

Literally one of my Mom's Twitter friends has just called anyone wanting to remain "stupid" just because they're protesting about the result.

Imo it's pretty stupid not to at least question the result considering there is no plan for this country going forward other than to vilify Gove to make Boris sympathetic to the nation by the Right Wing Media such as The Sun and The Daily Mail, and the other 8 far Right Wing Newspapers.

[_Tom_]

Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The right to protest is enshrined in law so it's entirely acceptable, and always should be. Why on earth would you not want it to be?

This exact thing would've been happening had we voted to remain and half of the people lambasting these protesters would've been protesting and screaming about a second referendum themselves. And Farage would've peddled his 'in a 52/48 result this is unfinished business' even more, it's funny how that's just been forgotten now he got the result he wanted?

It is pure hypocrisy Jack, nothing else.
You are right, Farage was already gearing up on the results night when ti was thought leave had won by the same margin.

He was starting to blame the extended deadline for people to register to vote as one reason remain had won.
There would have been a never ending lists of things from likely most on the leave side,some there would have 'never' accepted that result and would have been screaming night and day for another referendum.

With the attitude of some on the leave side there is no way anyone in power will be able to again unite this Kingdom.
Every day I find myself more turned off by their endless gloating and put downs to those who voted remain.

What is worse however are the truly horrible minority who helped the 'leave' side win, who 'are' racist and xenophobic, who are now setting out after this result to make immigrants lives really unpleasant now and even feeling threatened in the UK.

Those kind of people are the threats to democracy not peaceful marchers worried about their futures.
Also, who knows that those on this march today did not vote anyway, more guesswork and supposition to fuel prejudices.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys

Err...in case you hadn't noticed, my post about racists and xenophobes was a sarcastic response to your post which tarred all those who are pro-EU with the same brush:

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Can we start calling the pro-EU protesters what they really are?

Goldman Sachs lobbyists.

So again you are contradicting yourself. Personally I think those calling leavers racists are shutting down a problem that's existed for years, but stereotype me and I'll stereotype you too.

I notice you didn't respond to my other post which had no insults, it can't be a debate if you didn't reply. Or did I prove you wrong?

[Alf]

There hasn't been this kind of out-pouring of love for an un-democratic super-state since The Hitler youth.

[Tom4784]

Protests would have been acceptable on either way, a 52-48 split is not a big enough lead to declare a majority.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes I hear there was some graffiti in London

I think the army should be called in

Good ol' LT with his Freudian-seque defense of racism.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm presuming that the Olympics would do a re run if a player was impeded.