[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He's a wind up merchant, a bit like Marc was. But he isn't nasty. That lot just don't know how to handle him. If they had bothered to get to know him they would know he's actually really nice and there's more to him than meets the eye.

But he IS nasty. The egg dropping and food throwing is annoying but not nasty. Its the goading...the prodding until people are reduced to tears. His inability to apologise for overstepping the mark shows just how nasty he is. Even when he popped Katie's balloon...she was upset but he didn't console her over it because he seems to get pleasure from getting a reaction...whatever it is and he takes no responsibility for it.
How do you know he is 'really nice' and that there is more to him? It certainly hasn't been shown.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..he doesn't want any of the housemates to get to know him, Vanessa...he's put on his masks to try to prevent that...they have tried to/some of them have (and credit to them and their characters that they persevere..)... but he's just shrugged them off because he knows that then he wouldn't be fitting in with his game-plan of being able to behave as he does and the heck with anyone else or their feelings...and there is nastiness also..in how he's encouraged emotions and anger of others, like Lewis and Heavy with the wine thing when he was saying that Marnie was wheat intolerant and fully joining in the targeting of Heavy, fully encouraging the targeting of the 'bald eagle' and of Saira and fully cheering on and encouraging Heavy, when he could see his 'best mate' reaching the anger points that could have brought physical violence but did bring about him throwing the drink over Heavy...there has been plenty 'nasty' to be seen and no 'really nice', just self/self/self and his own gain from pushing limits to their extremes...

Well said Ammi..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But he IS nasty. The egg dropping and food throwing is annoying but not nasty. Its the goading...the prodding until people are reduced to tears. His inability to apologise for overstepping the mark shows just how nasty he is. Even when he popped Katie's balloon...she was upset but he didn't console her over it because he seems to get pleasure from getting a reaction...whatever it is and he takes no responsibility for it.
How do you know he is 'really nice' and that there is more to him? It certainly hasn't been shown.

..yeah except for pouring the oil which was the dumbest and totally disregarding anyone's safety because even older children know how dangerous that would make a walking surface...but then he knows that BB will sort it out so it's safe, so he can carry on being the Bear and doing exactly what he feels like....

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But he IS nasty. The egg dropping and food throwing is annoying but not nasty. Its the goading...the prodding until people are reduced to tears. His inability to apologise for overstepping the mark shows just how nasty he is. Even when he popped Katie's balloon...she was upset but he didn't console her over it because he seems to get pleasure from getting a reaction...whatever it is and he takes no responsibility for it.
How do you know he is 'really nice' and that there is more to him? It certainly hasn't been shown.

No he's not. Marc was far worse in there. He actually bullied and targeted people with Helen. Encouraged by Big brother. Bear is just a prankster. Sometimes he goes too far, but they just don't know how to handle him.

[Pete.]

Oh Cal log out! If Bear was being bullied I'm sure he would have let us know

[Vanessa]

Not keen on Ricky, but I respect him for always trying to include Bear. He may be boring, but he's a good man.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Oh Cal log out! If Bear was being bullied I'm sure he would have let us know

Bullied no. Singled out: yes.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The others don't want to get to know him. If Ricky can find some common ground with Bear then why can't they? Ricky and Bear are always playinr

g in the garden together, but they don't show it on the highlights. Bear said he likes Ricky now, at least he makes the effort to include him. Most of the rest are just happy to isolate him. Bunch of spineless sheep!

It takes two...why doesn't Bear make the effort?...All he has done is make himself unlikeable.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

No he's not. Marc was far worse in there. He actually bullied and targeted people with Helen. Encouraged by Big brother. Bear is just a prankster. Sometimes he goes too far, but they just don't know how to handle him.

I agree Marc was far worse...but you have just said it yourself...he sometimes goes too far and in the same sentance you then blame the other housemates for not knowing how to handle him???....he should learn not to go too far!!

Like Bear....it's always someone else's fault.

[Oaker]

nooo don't fall for it </3

[Liam-]

He's the person everyone has an opinion on, of course they're both going to tell him how much of an ass he is, I do think though that it was probably the easier option that exposing something annoying about your friends, but still, i don't really care because he deserves it

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That lot has done far worse things than him. Aubrey spotting in his drink/food to name one. All he has done is a few pranks. If we were in the channel 4 BB everyone would have just laughed off. But jesus, this lot is way too serious. Katie crying over a burst balloon is a prime example. Pathetic!

[Daffodil]

Poor Bear being ganged up on. Give him a coffee cocktail and pour some olive oil in his bed.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

Poor Bear being ganged up on. Give him a coffee cocktail and pour some olive oil in his bed.

Olive oil was in the garden

[Daffodil]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Olive oil was in the garden

I know. But in his bed is funnier

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

I know. But in his bed is funnier

[MB.]

oh my god how are you people still falling for this same tired old bull**** you're fed it's an insult to your intelligence

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh good the 'actually maybe the bully is being bullied guys?' part of the series is upon us. Guess that means it'll be over soon. So predictable how dumb viewers are now.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

mhmm, it's never BBUK until the person who behaves like a completely immature asshole is treated like he is a completely immature asshole and thus the public decides that the completely immature asshole is The True Victim

like... I'm not even watching this series but how is this any different from the trajectories Esteemed Winners Aaron Allard-Morgan, Jim Davidson, and Helen Wood all took? sure the specifics of the stories are different but they all follow the path. Like, swap Bear's name with Jim's and I'm sure a nearly identical thread exists in the CBB13 section.

Better ways of saying what I also said are located above

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by jet

This takes the biscuit. It really does. Bear has bullied and tried to degrade most of the HM's (who have feelings too!) when he had his little squad around him, now that they are getting booted one by one out he is showing how diminished he is without his support group. So poor likkle Bear is now being seen as a victim because he was told a few home truths. You couldn't make it up.

So right, jet! But this doesn't just take the biscuit, this takes the whole packet!

[Vanessa]

Bear is this year's Jim. Gets the blame for everything!

[MB.]

I'd like to say I'm amazed that someone can make a comparison to Jim Davidson and try to pass it off as a positive thing, but... at least you're self-aware

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh good the 'actually maybe the bully is being bullied guys?' part of the series is upon us. Guess that means it'll be over soon. So predictable how dumb viewers are now.

So true!

[Toy Soldier]

I'm not sure there's enough cheese in Britain to go along with all of the whine in the thread

[Babayaro.]

I disagree. It was more constructive criticism if anything.

Unless this thread is sarcasm idk

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think this hit the nail on the head

yup

Originally Posted by jet

This takes the biscuit. It really does. Bear has bullied and tried to degrade most of the HM's (who have feelings too!) when he had his little squad around him, now that they are getting booted one by one out he is showing how diminished he is without his support group. So poor likkle Bear is now being seen as a victim because he was told a few home truths. You couldn't make it up.

takes the whole damned pack of biscuits

Originally Posted by caprimint

He said that he doesn't like to see anyone upset but others in there have proven themselves to have less kind-hearted intentions unlike himself.

omg *laughing in disbelief*

Originally Posted by Ammi

..pathetic maybe Vanessa if it's just isolated things to purposefully antagonise/push/goad etc but it's relentless... why feel the need to burst the balloon, why feel the need to upset on a task..(and when James and Aubrey fulfil their task of commenting on housemates, they're criticised because it's 'harsh' on Bear..)...he hasn't done a few pranks, he's been relentless and he's exhausted them with it to the point that some just 'try to keep him calm or stay out of his firing line'....and yes, other's haven't always behaved well in their reactions but they've been one off things as opposed to his persistency in his behaviour that has made so many miserable and he's laughed at their misery...

all of your posts on this thread, ammi, are excellent - you spell it out. unfortunately, those who are metaphorically dyslexic will never work out how to read the truth.

[Adamw92]

If Bear hadn't spent the last 3 weeks isolating himself from the rest of the house with his behaviour then maybe it wouldn't be looked at as him being "ganged" up on. I'm sorry but I feel zero sympathy for him and having experience being ganged up on before, I don't see how this was anything near it.