[Cal.]

I know she was criticised for years for 'being famous for being famous' but I'm interested to see if people still hold that view?

For me personally, she definitely deserves her fame. She's a marketing genius and she's worked hard for her success. She's a businesswoman first and foremost and she's capitalised on her assets and not only created an empire for herself - but also made herself one of the most famous women to ever live. She's this generation's Marilyn Monroe. She's a cultural icon.

It's just a shame that some people still think she doesn't deserve her fame and she's famous for nothing. What are your thoughts on the issue?

(Personally I think it's a Serious Debate and News worthy as it's very culturally relevant since Kim is a role model to the youth of today)

[Pete.]

Yes she's the modern Marilyn

[LukeB]

No, she's a bad example for young teenagers because getting famous for having sex isn't really an achievement. Anyone can have sex but teenagers are easily influenced by people from media. She has no talent at all. She only made a empire because she's famous so it was easy for her.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

No, she's a bad example for young teenagers because getting famous for having sex isn't really an achievement. Anyone can have sex but teenagers are easily influenced by people from media. She has no talent at all. She only made a empire because she's famous so it was easy for her.

Youtube video

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[Samm]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Yes she's the modern Marilyn

this, and i'm being serious, she's the socialite of the 10s like Paris was in the 00s

icons.

[Shaun]

Her claim to fame might be dodgy but she's proven to be a savvy businesswoman with her apps/fashion lines/promotional work and generally seems like a pleasant person (if a bit vapid and image-obsessed). Just as valid a career goal as wanting to be the next Taylor Swift and writing every insecurity and failed relationship into an exploitative song.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Youtube video

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Wow why was this not in the OP?

[Greg!]

She's an absolute legend and she's got an amazing personality. And she's definitely not talentless, the way she's managed to make herself one of the most famous people who has ever lived is incredible an shows that she is more intelligent than people give her credit for.

So yes she does deserve to be famous

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Youtube video

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That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.

[Cal.]

And she definitely does deserve a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. They need to scrap the outdated rules. She's more famous than anyone on it.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.

It was a charity single so it highlights her philanthropy

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That actually sounds awful and that's bad especially after using auto tune and other special effects.

[armand.kay]

Anyone who can make their name into a brand deserves it. People act like she literally does nothing but sit on her arse all day. Accomplishing what she has accomplished cannot be easy otherwise everyone would be as famous has her.

[Jordan.]

No because she ended Paris

[Daniel.]

Jam is a smash so yes

[Johnnyuk123]

Who is she? and what is she famous for?

[Natalie.]

Yes she has worked very hard, she's a great businesswoman

[Vicky.]

What is she actually famous for? I genuinely have no idea. I don't follow news about her or any of her family tbh...assumed she was just a reality tv person :S

[Jason.]

Not a fame thread in Serious Debates lol

Originally Posted by Shaun

Her claim to fame might be dodgy but she's proven to be a savvy businesswoman with her apps/fashion lines/promotional work and generally seems like a pleasant person (if a bit vapid and image-obsessed). Just as valid a career goal as wanting to be the next Taylor Swift and writing every insecurity and failed relationship into an exploitative song.

Yeah this sums it up tbh.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

What is she actually famous for? I genuinely have no idea. I don't follow news about her or any of her family tbh...assumed she was just a reality tv person :S

Her family become famous because her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer and her mother was Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend and then her mother remarried Bruce Jenner the Olympian and then a sex tape between Kim and a famous rapper leaked a few months before the family got their own reality TV show and then her and the rest of her family kinda just capitalised on her sex tape and the TV show and worked really hard and now they're all multi millionaires and A-list celebs.

[Cal.]

This is a serious debate

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Her family become famous because her father was OJ Simpson's lawyer and her mother was Nicole Brown Simpson's best friend and then her mother remarried Bruce Jenner the Olympian and then a sex tape between Kim and a famous rapper leaked a few months before the family got their own reality TV show and then her and the rest of her family kinda just capitalised on her sex tape and the TV show and worked really hard and now they're all multi millionaires and A-list celebs.

...wow

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Yes she's the modern Marilyn

You have got to be kidding...

Marilyn was an acting and singing sensation...not a tabloid hound. Her tabloid stardom was forced on her...and led to her demise.

My answer to the OP is no

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Mokka

You have got to be kidding...

Marilyn was an acting and singing sensation...not a tabloid hound. Her tabloid stardom was forced on her...and led to her demise.

My answer to the OP is no

We've already agreed that Kim is too

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Pete.

We've already agreed that Kim is too

Special effects is not talent, anyone can do that with the right software.